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Good one!
Richard.H
Senior Member
What's really scary is that he rarely has an "amazing" game. Yes, he scores goals for fun, but you don't see him tearing it up like Messi. I'm only saying this because I think he's fully capable of tearing it up and dribbling through 3 defenders and scoring a goal ala Messi. I want to see a game where all of his dribbles confuse defenders and he can be as huge of a threat as Messi.
It would be insane if he can manage to do this in the final.
It would be insane if he can manage to do this in the final.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
That's true , he has potential to be even better than he is now but he won't be as good as Messi , that's for sure.
Anyway , I'm verry satisfied with how he is playing so far.
SwiftGuyver
New member
of course he has the potential to be even better...he's still only 23 years old...
FC B
Senior Member
This!
RaidersGunz
New member
Anyone have a vine of Neymar getting past the Bayern defender at the end of the match. The one where he passed it to Messi instead of shooting?
GOAT_SUAREZ
New member
Nobody will be as good as Messi from this generation so I am very pleased with his performances. He is 2nd in UCL and 3rd in La Liga in goals scored. He has 47 scorer in 47 matches that's more than stellar. He already is one of the best players in the world and he will be even better when he reaches his prime at 25,26,27,28.
Kerrybai
New member
Neymar and Messi definitely need to pass more to Suarez.
Why is that? Half of those Suarez assists were accidental, like the one to Neymar against Atletico where Messi set up Suarez and he fucked it up before Neymar put it away.
StarLord
New member
Our GOAT companions since 08/09:
08/09
Eto'o
46 starts (52 apps)
Total goals: 36
La Liga goals: 30
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 0
CL goals breakdown: 1 Sporting Lisbon, 1 Lyon, 1 Bayern, 1 Manchester United and 2 against Wisla Krakow in the qualifying round.
Henry
36 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 26
Liga goals: 19
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 3 against Lyon, 1 Bayern, 1 Sporting and 1 against Wisla Krakow.
09/10
Zlatan
35 starts (45 apps)
Total goals: 21
Liga goals: 16
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 1 against Rubin Kazan, 1 against Stuttgart, 2 against Arsenal.
Pedro
31 starts (50 apps)
Total goals: 23
Liga goals: 12
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 3
Another 4 goals in Supercups.
CL goals breakdown: 2 against Inter, 1 against Dynamo Kiev, 1 against Stuttgart.
10/11
Villa
48 starts (52 apps)
Total goals: 23
Liga goals: 18
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs Panathinaikos, 1 penaldo vs Rubin Kazan, one vs Arsenal, 1 vs Man Utd.
Pedro
40 starts (53 apps)
Total goals: 22
Liga goals: 13
CL goals: 5 goals
Copa goals: 4 goals
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goal breakdown: 3 against Panathinaikos, 1 against Real Madrid, 1 against Man Utd.
11/12
Pedro
32 starts (48 apps)
Total goals: 13
Liga goals: 5
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 4
CL goals breakdown: 1 against AC Milan, 3 against BATE Borisov
Alexis Sanchez
31 starts (41 apps)
Total goals: 15
CL goals: 2
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 2 against Leverkusen
David Villa
17 starts (24 apps)
Total goals: 9 goals
Liga goals: 5
CL goals: 3
Copa goals: 0
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs AC Milan, 1 vs BATE, 1 vs Plzen
12/13
Pedro
39 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 10
Liga goals: 7
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 1
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs PSG
Alexis Sanchez
28 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 11
Liga goals: 8
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 2
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs Benfica
David Villa
26 starts (38 apps)
Total goals: 16
Liga goals: 10
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 5
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs AC Milan
13/14
Pedro
28 starts (40 apps)
Total goals: 19
Liga goals: 15
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 3
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs Celtic
Alexis Sanchez
30 starts (38 apps)
Total goals: 21
Liga goals: 19
CL goals: 0
Copa goals: 2
CL goal breakdown:
Neymar
23 starts (30 apps)
Total goals: 15
Liga goals: 9
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goals breakdown: 3 vs Celtic, 1 vs Atletico
14/15
Suarez
41 apps (not sure about starts)
Total goals: 24
Liga goals: 16
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 2
CL goals breakdown: 2 vs Man City, 3 vs PSG, 1 vs Apoel.
Neymar:
47 apps, not sure about starts
Total goals: 37
Liga goals: 22
CL goals: 9
Copa goals: 6
CL goals breakdown: 5 vs PSG, 3 vs Bayern and 1 vs Ajax. 8 of his 9 CL goals in the quarters and semis against a mighty and even mightier opponent. Dizzying record from Neyboi.
As has been well apparent for several seasons now, our team has suffered immensely in big CL games against strong opponents, who safe in the knowledge that Messi was the only genuine threat, focused almost everything on him and many times succeeded in shutting him out. This has cost us numerous and painful eliminations to lesser sides. The reason why we are now on the cusp of a Treble is two-fold: Neymar & Suarez. End of story. Forget about all the little stupid things we say about managers, tactics etc. It's all secondary at best, and so much noise at worst. Factor in that in previous seasons with players such as Ibra, Villa, Pedro, Alexis, Eto'o and Henry, Xavi and Iniesta were the undisputed masters and commanders of creative midfield play, surely the supreme midfield duo in football history, yet we failed at several instances, despite all their blinding brilliance as well as their best efforts. MSN is indeed as awesome as it looks on paper and on course to be the best forward line in football history.
This also goes on to demonstrate why attacking players get more glory, more attention, higher wages, most awards and cost more money. With the decline of Xavi and Iniesta, our back 7 is not extraordinary if we are being honest. While they are still, very, very good, other top European sides can easily be said to be just about equal, or even better than our back 7. What no one else has in their arsenal, is:
08/09
Eto'o
46 starts (52 apps)
Total goals: 36
La Liga goals: 30
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 0
CL goals breakdown: 1 Sporting Lisbon, 1 Lyon, 1 Bayern, 1 Manchester United and 2 against Wisla Krakow in the qualifying round.
Henry
36 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 26
Liga goals: 19
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 3 against Lyon, 1 Bayern, 1 Sporting and 1 against Wisla Krakow.
09/10
Zlatan
35 starts (45 apps)
Total goals: 21
Liga goals: 16
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 1 against Rubin Kazan, 1 against Stuttgart, 2 against Arsenal.
Pedro
31 starts (50 apps)
Total goals: 23
Liga goals: 12
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 3
Another 4 goals in Supercups.
CL goals breakdown: 2 against Inter, 1 against Dynamo Kiev, 1 against Stuttgart.
10/11
Villa
48 starts (52 apps)
Total goals: 23
Liga goals: 18
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs Panathinaikos, 1 penaldo vs Rubin Kazan, one vs Arsenal, 1 vs Man Utd.
Pedro
40 starts (53 apps)
Total goals: 22
Liga goals: 13
CL goals: 5 goals
Copa goals: 4 goals
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goal breakdown: 3 against Panathinaikos, 1 against Real Madrid, 1 against Man Utd.
11/12
Pedro
32 starts (48 apps)
Total goals: 13
Liga goals: 5
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 4
CL goals breakdown: 1 against AC Milan, 3 against BATE Borisov
Alexis Sanchez
31 starts (41 apps)
Total goals: 15
CL goals: 2
Copa goals: 1
CL goals breakdown: 2 against Leverkusen
David Villa
17 starts (24 apps)
Total goals: 9 goals
Liga goals: 5
CL goals: 3
Copa goals: 0
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs AC Milan, 1 vs BATE, 1 vs Plzen
12/13
Pedro
39 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 10
Liga goals: 7
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 1
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs PSG
Alexis Sanchez
28 starts (42 apps)
Total goals: 11
Liga goals: 8
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 2
CL goals breakdown: 1 vs Benfica
David Villa
26 starts (38 apps)
Total goals: 16
Liga goals: 10
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 5
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs AC Milan
13/14
Pedro
28 starts (40 apps)
Total goals: 19
Liga goals: 15
CL goals: 1
Copa goals: 3
CL goal breakdown: 1 vs Celtic
Alexis Sanchez
30 starts (38 apps)
Total goals: 21
Liga goals: 19
CL goals: 0
Copa goals: 2
CL goal breakdown:
Neymar
23 starts (30 apps)
Total goals: 15
Liga goals: 9
CL goals: 4
Copa goals: 1
1 goal in the Supercup
CL goals breakdown: 3 vs Celtic, 1 vs Atletico
14/15
Suarez
41 apps (not sure about starts)
Total goals: 24
Liga goals: 16
CL goals: 6
Copa goals: 2
CL goals breakdown: 2 vs Man City, 3 vs PSG, 1 vs Apoel.
Neymar:
47 apps, not sure about starts
Total goals: 37
Liga goals: 22
CL goals: 9
Copa goals: 6
CL goals breakdown: 5 vs PSG, 3 vs Bayern and 1 vs Ajax. 8 of his 9 CL goals in the quarters and semis against a mighty and even mightier opponent. Dizzying record from Neyboi.
As has been well apparent for several seasons now, our team has suffered immensely in big CL games against strong opponents, who safe in the knowledge that Messi was the only genuine threat, focused almost everything on him and many times succeeded in shutting him out. This has cost us numerous and painful eliminations to lesser sides. The reason why we are now on the cusp of a Treble is two-fold: Neymar & Suarez. End of story. Forget about all the little stupid things we say about managers, tactics etc. It's all secondary at best, and so much noise at worst. Factor in that in previous seasons with players such as Ibra, Villa, Pedro, Alexis, Eto'o and Henry, Xavi and Iniesta were the undisputed masters and commanders of creative midfield play, surely the supreme midfield duo in football history, yet we failed at several instances, despite all their blinding brilliance as well as their best efforts. MSN is indeed as awesome as it looks on paper and on course to be the best forward line in football history.
This also goes on to demonstrate why attacking players get more glory, more attention, higher wages, most awards and cost more money. With the decline of Xavi and Iniesta, our back 7 is not extraordinary if we are being honest. While they are still, very, very good, other top European sides can easily be said to be just about equal, or even better than our back 7. What no one else has in their arsenal, is:
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iniesta_8
New member
He passed that final chance to Messi so he wouldn't have a chance of taking away the CL top scorer title from Messi.
Yeah.. I wish he had scored, but on the other hand it's great that he didn't think about being CL-topscorer!
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Lol.
We played shades of Tiki-Taka in the last couple of Seasons and everyone knew how to neutralize Tiki-Taka after years or trial and error.
Tiki-Taka was unstoppable in the beginning, later it turned into a crap.
Rijkaard's Barca played the same as Lucho's Barca.
It was unstoppable in the beginning, 3-4 years later we were neutralized much easier (ok, some other factors also helped, but still...)
While we really have a much better attacking trio today than in the past years, there are a lot of other factors, which you call as secondary, like:
1. a new coach
2. a different, direct tactics
3. some new midfield players, like Rakitic
4. more depth in the midfield, defense and on GK's position
5. less injuries
6. better physical shape of a team due to some of the reasons mentioned above
7. players with more height and muscles than in the last few years due to Mathieu, Rakitic, Suarez, for example
If we played Tiki-Taka like from the last 2-3 years, then all Messi's-Suarez's and Neymar's of this world wouldn't help us.
Especially Messi on a false 9 in Tiki Taka in the current era.
But if you want, you can put the whole emphasis of success only on MSN trio, no problem.
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