11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

[Leo_Messi]

Dembélé has had everything against him since his move 2 years ago. Frequent and long-term injuries, age, not being part of the "club de amigos" clan, little support from that same clan, a clueless "manager" being at the "helm" of the club, no tactical system in place whatsoever other than looking for Messi nonstop, no consistency even when fit to play due to not getting the required chances/playing time etc.

Dembélé is yet to play a full game 2 games in a row and people here talk about him having had a real chance to prove himself.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ousma...verein=131&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ousma...verein=131&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

What is even more "frightening" is that he has only played 6 full matches in 2 seasons. 2 of those 6 matches were Copa del Rey matches (early stages moreover). Rest league games against minnows. Pathetic.

More interestingly Dembélé did not play any part in our Roma or Liverpool fiascos and I am 100% sure that we would have progressed against Roma if Dembélé had started (no way that Roma would have played such an high line deliberately if Dembélé was playing) and likewise against Liverpool at Anfield. That will obviously never be proven but if I could bet on such outcomes, I would.

No player has ever been successful at the club (nor any other club for that matter) without the required playing time consistently. If even the likes of Messi had, had the same career path as Dembélé for more than 2 seasons, he would not have amounted to much and most likely he would have been sold as well and deemed a "flop".

This is not the proper way to develop a genuine world class talent that needs the few last elements to reach the highest level and refine his game. Not to mention basics like consistency and confidence.

 

[serghei]

Demebele looks like he learnt football on the streets. He is incredibly unrefined and lacks a considerable amount of what should be a professional footballer's bag of standard tricks. When you see a player do some of the things Dembele does, you'd be inclined to think he must do the basic stuff to perfection if he can pull off those amazing bits. But.... he really doesn't. Like Alexis used to for us, he can make an amazing dribble and then miss 2-3 passes in a row, basic simple passes that are completely unacceptable misses at this level. Very hard to permanently fix that.

 

[Afromaticz]

Dembélé has had everything against him since his move 2 years ago. Frequent and long-term injuries, age, not being part of the "club de amigos" clan, little support from that same clan, a clueless "manager" being at the "helm" of the club, no tactical system in place whatsoever other than looking for Messi nonstop, no consistency even when fit to play due to not getting the required chances/playing time etc.

Dembélé is yet to play a full game 2 games in a row and people here talk about him having had a real chance to prove himself.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ousma...verein=131&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ousma...verein=131&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

What is even more "frightening" is that he has only played 6 full matches in 2 seasons. 2 of those 6 matches were Copa del Rey matches (early stages moreover). Rest league games against minnows. Pathetic.

More interestingly Dembélé did not play any part in our Roma or Liverpool fiascos and I am 100% sure that we would have progressed against Roma if Dembélé had started (no way that Roma would have played such an high line deliberately if Dembélé was playing) and likewise against Liverpool at Anfield. That will obviously never be proven but if I could bet on such outcomes, I would.

No player has even been successful at the club (nor any other club for that matter) without the required playing time consistently. If even the likes of Messi had, had the same career path as Dembélé for more than 2 seasons, he would not have amounted to much and most likely he would have been sold as well and deemed a "flop".

Stop it you're making too much sense

 

[Afromaticz]

Demebele looks like he learnt football on the streets. He is incredibly unrefined and lacks a considerable amount of what should be a professional footballer's bag of standard tricks. When you see a player do some of the things Dembele does, you'd be inclined to think he must do the basic stuff to perfection if he can pull off those amazing bits. But.... he really doesn't. Like Alexis used to for us, he can make an amazing dribble and then miss 2-3 passes in a row, basic simple passes that are completely unacceptable misses at this level. Very hard to permanently fix that.

I think the problem with Dembele is the lack of concentration..his passing overall is actually very decent cause some of the more difficult passes he plays are amazing...but then he manages to screw up a simple pass which makes it even more infuriating.

But im pretty positiv that more game time could fix that.

 

[Benzema10]

Real Madrid on Dembele, latest news.

 

[Calidad]

Stop it you're making too much sense

Because he's one of Valverde's pre-planned subs who has to come off regardless of performance. Arthur.

Your post is spot on.

 

[BBZ8800]

More interestingly Dembélé did NOT play any part in our Roma or Liverpool fiascos and I am 100% sure that we would have progressed against Roma if Dembélé had started (no way that Roma would have played such an high line deliberately if Dembélé was playing) and likewise against Liverpool at Anfield. That will obviously never be proven but if I could bet on such outcomes, I would.

Yeah, Dembele the savior would have changed the world.
Oh, wait:
1. in the first action, Rakitic is alone at the edge of a box
2. in the 2nd action, no words are needed

And then users here are asking me: where do you get that idea that Dembele has a low IQ?

Imagine relying on this guy as our future brain/a leader of a forward line.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I think the problem with Dembele is the lack of concentration..his passing overall is actually very decent cause some of the more difficult passes he plays are amazing...but then he manages to screw up a simple pass which makes it even more infuriating.

But im pretty positiv that more game time could fix that.

When you have Suárez screaming his lungs off and gesticulating like a retard at Dembélé whenever Dembélé does not pass to him or Messi immediately, it is no surprise that he can sometimes miss simple passes. I lost the count of how many times both of them ignored Dembélé who was in a more favorable position. It's like Suárez in particular did not want him to succeed in fear of losing his starting spot potentially. That and him having had close to zero consistent playing time and thus little confidence (key element for most players, in particular promising talents, to reach that next level).

Dembélé is a work in progress. Every player his age is that. Mbappé suffers from the exact same problems at times. Ask any PSG fan. Neymar is still the far superior player and we all know how frustrating Neymar could be or is. Using Messi as the measuring stock is just completely unrealistic and unfair. Most neutrals can easily spot Dembélé's talent and potential which is why you have top clubs chasing him if rumors are to be believed.

Stop it you're making too much sense

I know. Better stop.

 

[Givenchy]

Dembele needs a manager like Pep to guide him. look what happened with Sterling etc

theres question marks if Valverde even picks the lineups so theres no way he'll 'guide' a player like Dembele

 

[FCBfan22]

Yeah, Dembele the savior would have changed the world.
Oh, wait:
1. in the first action, Rakitic is alone at the edge of a box
2. in the 2nd action, no words are needed

And then users here are asking me: where do you get that idea that Dembele has a low IQ?

Imagine relying on this guy as our future brain/a leader of a forward line.

Now, if you read my posts during the whole season, I always said that Dembele is atrocious in the first 10-15 minutes of every game he is on the pitch. Either as a sub or as a starter. That was visible from the most of the games this season. He needs to grow into the game. And when he does, he is good.

And our moron coach couldn't see that the whole season and just went and subbed on Dembele for the last less than 5 minutes, instead of doing that 15 minutes earlier, simply because he was afraid to sub either Suarez or Coutinho. Again atrocious player managment by Ernie.

That said, yes those 3-4 minutes from him were terrible.

Again, Dembele IMO is not and will never be leader of a front line, but paired with a great leading striker (not the fatass we have now), he could be amazing.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Yeah, Dembele the savior would have changed the world.
Oh, wait:
1. in the first action, Rakitic is alone at the edge of a box
2. in the 2nd action, no words are needed

And then users here are asking me: where do you get that idea that Dembele has a low IQ?

Imagine relying on this guy as our future brain/a leader of a forward line.

How many minutes had Dembélé played in that game when those 2 actions occurred (only the second is a real mistake)? 5 minutes? Speaking about passes, in the second action he made the right pass to Messi who returned the pass to him but he unfortunately completely missed to hit the ball properly. Match rhythm and everything. Dembélé had nothing to do with us not progressing in that tie. The first match should not even have ended 3-0. A draw or even a Liverpool victory would have been a more "fair" outcome of that game. A game that Dembélé barely played any part in.

Point being is (this is a fact) that Roma would not have employed (deliberately) such a high line in the return leg if Dembélé had been playing from the start. It would have been a tactical suicide. Since our attack was composed of slow dinosaurs like Suárez and Messi and Alba being our only threat pace wise and in terms of making runs behind the defense, Roma could easily employ such a tactic without much trouble.

Likewise if Dembélé had been fit in the return leg at Anfield, he would have been a much greater source of danger than the utter joke that is Coutinho or Suárez. Both missing chances equivalent to the one that Dembélé missed in the first leg.

 

[Afromaticz]

When you have Suárez screaming his lungs off and gesticulating like a retard at Dembélé whenever Dembélé does not pass to him or Messi immediately, it is no surprise that he can sometimes miss simple passes. That and him having had close to zero consistent playing time and thus little confidence (key element for most players, in particular promising talents, to reach that next level).

Dembélé is a work in progress. Every player his age is that. Mbappé suffers from the exact same problems at times. Ask any PSG fan. Neymar is still the far superior player and we all know how frustrating Neymar could be or is. Using Messi as the measuring stock is just completely unrealistic and unfair. Most neutrals can easily spot Dembélé's talent and potential which is why you have top clubs chasing him if rumors are to be believed.

I agree i mean even a blind man can see that this kid oozes talent.
Just give him some game time on the right so he can get some of that swagger back and for God's sake get rid of Suarez.

If u were lucky enough to watch a few Barca games live were Dembele was playing you could clearly see the talent he possess.
He was the only player bar Messi that got the fans off their seats. They love the kid

 

[Afromaticz]

Yeah, Dembele the savior would have changed the world.
Oh, wait:
1. in the first action, Rakitic is alone at the edge of a box
2. in the 2nd action, no words are needed

And then users here are asking me: where do you get that idea that Dembele has a low IQ?

Imagine relying on this guy as our future brain/a leader of a forward line.

He had every right to go for goal on the first one
Only the second miss could be seen as a mistake and even then one could argue that the counter would have never happened if it wasn't for Dembele's pace.
He left them all behind and had to slow down so the others could keep up.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I agree i mean even a blind man can see that this kid oozes talent.
Just give him some game time on the right so he can get some of that swagger back and for God's sake get rid of Suarez.

If u were lucky enough to watch a few Barca games live were Dembele was playing you could clearly see the talent he possess.
He was the only player bar Messi that got the fans off their seats. They love the kid

Dembélé is well-liked among socios and local fans. Even the media realizes this. For instance Sport (otherwise part of the pro-Neymar propaganda) wrote an article today about what we will miss if we sold Dembélé. Every poll done also shows an overwhelming percentage of fans preferring that he stays.

Officially (as per all relevant local sources) the club is likewise unwilling to part ways with him but I don't believe that. This useless, short-sighted and "without any sporting project whatsoever" board would sell him immediately if the right offer arrived from top clubs like Liverpool, Bayern, PSG and others.

Every idiot or person with an ounce of knowledge about the game can see his immense talent. He has qualities that cannot be taught such as an insane pace, acceleration, two-footedness and the ability to make the "impossible" on a pitch. Take that goal against Spurs as an example. The vast majority of even elite players would not be able to score such a goal.

Dembélé as I wrote and which is obvious for everyone is a work in progress. Far from the finished article. All his faults if given the trust, consistent playing time, the right manager who could guide him, the right tactical setup, players who would be supportive of him, him integrating himself more and becoming fluent in Spanish (his own fault here) and working harder to prove every doubter wrong (also something that only he can do) would most likely disappear.

As of now a fully fit Dembélé has proven to be better and more promising than 99% of all players (attacking) his age group. Not even talking about the possibility of him reaching new heights or levels which likely would occur in a new tactical setup and under the influence of an actual manager and capable one at that too.

The stupidity of selling a 22 year old Dembélé that is already an above average player right now (with almost all odds against him and no consistency) at one of the elite clubs in the world, would just be more highlighted if we keep a 33 year old dinosaur (way past it and who will only get worse and worse) in Suárez or the 5 year older and much worse flop (by every account) in Coutinho. Or the 31 year old oil tanker Rakitic.

It would be a "Bartomeu classic".

 

[abbbs97]

More reliable sources than Sport and Romero just said that Dembele is not for sale and that he wants to stay. Lets just hope the board wont suddenly change their minds and put him on the market. I personally dont think they will despite the fact that they're idiots. I think they want to give him one more season. If only we had a world class coach, or even just a coach that has a fucking brain unlike Fraudverde.