11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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MTL_Barca

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Porque said:
I think we can see that Valverde is in the process of sticking to his "low-risk" 11 for the rest of the season. In essence it is an Aragones Spain 2008 type of 442 with plenty of possession and the goals left to individual creations of Messi, Suarez and Coutinho. With the other 7 popping with goals here and there.

So the question is, if Dembele doesn't get another starting role this season, do we consider a loan next year and bring him back when Valverde is gone or just sell and stop our losses?

Any one have any good examples of players who didn't initially settle, got loaned then come back as starter?

Off the top of my head Casemiro. James could be that if he wants a return. Any others?
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There are probably enough examples, most players are just younger and not nearly as expensive as Dembele. But i mean we're the only club in the world to buy a young 130M winger for a coach who ends up playing 4-4-2.

I don't think a loan would help him personally. He is a great talent, good enough to make it here. If the board loves Ernie and his football so much that they want to keep him longer than 2019 then we might as well just sell Dembele and Malcom (and Alena). Loaning them all around until we eventually sack the guy that doesn't like them is pointless and imo also not a fair way to treat the players. We we would just be wasting our money and their careers this way.
 
FCB1987

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MTL_Barca said:
There are probably enough examples, most players are just younger and not nearly as expensive as Dembele. But i mean we're the only club in the world to buy a young 130M winger for a coach who ends up playing 4-4-2.

I don't think a loan would help him personally. He is a great talent, good enough to make it here. If the board loves Ernie and his football so much that they want to keep him longer than 2019 then we might as well just sell Dembele and Malcom (and Alena). Loaning them all around until we eventually sack the guy that doesn't like them is pointless and imo also not a fair way to treat the players. We we would just be wasting our money and their careers this way.
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we've used 433 every game this season
 
MTL_Barca

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FCB1987 said:
we've used 433 every game this season
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If you want to call the lineup with Cou as "LW" and Messi as "RW" 4-3-3 okay. But numbers aside its obvious Dembele and Malcom don't have a place there when Valverde clearly highly prefers holding the ball to speed and dribbling.

And it became even more obvious when Valverde played Rafinha as RW when he has two wingers who prefer to play RW in the squad ready to play.

So no matter what you wanna call Valverdes 4-3-3/4-4-2/whatever lineup with Cou on the left and Messi wherever he wants to play it doesn't have a place for our young speedy wingers. It isn't about if there is a 2 or a 3 its about how we play the formation and the change came with going back to his approach of 17/18. Valverde tried to play a real 4-3-3 the way the board probably planned this out when they signed both Dembele and Cou and later Malcom on top of it but after we lost points and Dembele had some bad games and Cou wasn't that great as a CM he went straight back to what he preferred last season as well with more midfielders for more control and i doubt he'll change that again. It is what worked for hime twice now.
 
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Messigician

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MTL_Barca said:
If you want to call the lineup with Cou as "LW" and Messi as "RW" 4-3-3 okay. But numbers aside its obvious Dembele and Malcom don't have a place there when Valverde clearly highly prefers holding the ball to speed and dribbling.

And it became even more obvious when Valverde played Rafinha as RW when he has two wingers who prefer to play RW in the squad ready to play.

So no matter what you wanna call Valverdes 4-3-3/4-4-2/whatever lineup with Cou on the left and Messi wherever he wants to play it doesn't have a place for our young speedy wingers. It isn't about if there is a 2 or a 3 its about how we play the formation and the change came with going back to his approach of 17/18. Valverde tried to play a real 4-3-3 the way the board probably planned this out when they signed both Dembele and Cou and later Malcom on top of it but after we lost points and Dembele had some bad games and Cou wasn't that great as a CM he went straight back to what he preferred last season as well with more midfielders for more control and i doubt he'll change that again. It is what worked for hime twice now.
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Tiki Taka has always been about ball retention not dribbling. For example Pedro. Sanchez didnt fot in the team for a reason, Pep would agree tbh
 
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And here I am once again foreseeing things from an unbiased point of view. I have been skeptical of Dembele’s potentials almost a year back. He can turn out to be a Di Maria at best
 
BBZ8800

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MTL_Barca said:
If you want to call the lineup with Cou as "LW" and Messi as "RW" 4-3-3 okay. But numbers aside its obvious Dembele and Malcom don't have a place there when Valverde clearly highly prefers holding the ball to speed and dribbling.
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Deschamps prefers speed and Dembele is still behind Griezmann, Giroud, Mbappe and even some other players in a pecking order.

So:
EV prefers a slower play, and Dembele is currently behind:
1. Messi
2. Suarez
3. Coutinho
4. even Rafinha
5. Munir is somewhere close

Deschamps prefers fast, direct football, and Dembele is his 5th pick currently.

Hmm, interesting.
Except for a usual reply about dumb coaches, maybe our kid is nowhere near as good as our fans think.
He has potential, true.
He is fast, true.
He has occasional flashes of brilliance, true.

But when you sum it all, his current plays for Barca are closer to what Quaresma offered than what Pedro or Guily were offering.
I won't even mention actual world class attackers like Ronaldinho, Etoo, Henry and similar.
Imo, it is quite rude and blasphemy to put a current Dembele in the same sentence as them.

You guys will have to accept it over time, Dembele is more like some weird, hot and cold, raw, immature 40-70m winger than a 145m guy, a future leader of Barcelona or a BallonDOr contender.

I am not trolling, I am dead serious now:
Is Dembele THAT much better than Adama currently?
Imo, he is better, but not too much.
Dembele struggles with simple passes, he is lazy, not defending, doesn't have a fighting mentality, he is a bad fit for our style of play, he doesn't seem like a too bright kid.
What is he good at?
= he can produce something out of nothing here and there with his dribbles and skills.
But isn't that exactly what Adama is doing?

I guess that replies in Dembele vs Adama will be:
1. but Dembele played good at Dortmund!
2. Dembele has more potential (I would like to ask: who is measuring this potential thing? How do you know his potential? He has nice skills and dribbles, so his potential is extremely high?)
I guess this is more or less it about Dembele's advantages over Adama.

For the record, Adama is NOT a player for Barca or for any top team, inspite of his potential, skills and dribbles.
His overall play and decisions just suck.
And again, I don't see that a current Dembele is offering much more than Adama from this video:
 
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te amo barca

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The overreaction is still real. Dembele will get many chances until the end of the season and if he fails to impress, then we can talk about selling him.
 
clemente

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vlad said:
Because we are not on dembele's hype train and consider him heavily overrated?
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Not being on a hype train means you have to shit on a player over anything, especially some fake news about him being late?

Messigician said:
Keep working on that ignore list, we are Barca fans not dembele fans of a player isnt performing or putting the effort in we let them know about the high standards of the club
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He is 21 and he is performing, was getting us needed goals and giving us a result. And how the fuck would you know anything about his efforts?
 
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