2021 Ballon d'Or

OGbarca

Banned
WTF are you talking about? He had a great second half of last season. He scored 20 goals from January until April and added 8 assists. He was excellent during that period. From September trough December he was bad. However, Lewa did nothing with his national team.

lets see: from january to april
messi goals against real 0
atletico 0 (direct league rivals)
eibar and others minnows: idk, but all of his goals are here

1-4 humiliation in the camp nou, with mbappe, a bdor rival (then) making messi look like a chump
1-1 in paris with a nice goal but also a missed PK. out of the CL in r16

september-december beyond awful at PSG.

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in 2010 Sneijder had a phenomenal season with Inter and with the Netherlands. He didnt win it because that year messi was the best (although imho it should have been xavi/iniesta). well, same in 2021, messi has a good copa america (and thats it) but he is not the best player in the world. lewa is.

its also hilarious how messis copa america victory is played up as some tremendous achievement--after failing to win it in like 5 finals, and after failing to win an international title after like 6 finals. and this too with Argentina as his team, a team that always has star, world-class players. its not like he won the copa america with ecuador or peru. on the other hand, CR winning the euro with portugal is much more impressive than if he had won it with idk France or Germany. CR has three intl finals, 2 wins). just to put some perspective on this achievement, which, from the way it is discussed here, is made to sound like Maradona's 86 WC, which it emphatically was not
 
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OGbarca

Banned
This is laughable

tell me more about messi's phenomenal january to april form as barca finished 3rd in the league, lost all matches against madrid teams, and was knocked out of the CL in the R16. really, do tell me more about the glory messi won for barcelona in that period. im all ears
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
lets see: from january to april
messi goals against real 0
atletico 0 (direct league rivals)
eibar and others minnows: idk, but all of his goals are here

1-4 humiliation in the camp nou, with mbappe, a bdor rival (then) making messi look like a chump
1-1 in paris with a nice goal but also a missed PK. out of the CL in r16

september-december beyond awful at PSG.

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in 2010 Sneijder had a phenomenal season with Inter and with the Netherlands. He didnt win it because that year messi was the best (although imho it should have been xavi/iniesta). well, same in 2021, messi has a good copa america (and thats it) but he is not the best player in the world. lewa is.

its also hilarious how messis copa america victory is played up as some tremendous achievement--after failing to win it in like 5 finals, and after failing to win an international title after like 6 finals. and this too with Argentina as his team, a team that always has star, world-class players. its not like he won the copa america with ecuador or peru. on the other hand, CR winning the euro with portugal is much more impressive than if he had won it with idk France or Germany. CR has two three intl finals, 2 wins). just to put some perspective on this achievement, which, from the way it is discussed here, is made to sound like Maradona's 86 WC, which it emphatically was not

:facepalm: However, Lewa scored against all might Hoffenheim, Augsburg and Freiburg! Let's remember that during that same period Lewa scored ONLY against Lazio in CL, it's not like he trashed ATM, PSG, Chelsea or City in CL! Stop writing biased bullshit.

tell me more about messi's phenomenal january to april form as barca finished 3rd in the league, lost all matches against madrid teams, and was knocked out of the CL in the R16. really, do tell me more about the glory messi won for barcelona in that period. im all ears

Meanwhile Bayern with Lewa won CL...oh wait...he didn't. Lewa won Bundesliga and Messi won Copa del Rey and Copa America so even in that category Messi > Lewa.
 
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OGbarca

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:facepalm: However, Lewa scored against all might Hoffenheim, Augsburg and Freiburg!? During that period Lewa scored ONLY against Lazio in CL, it's not like he trashed ATM, PSG, Chelsea or City during that period! Stop writing bullshit.

those are good points which ill take. but the onus is on you to demonstrate just how wonderful, as you say, messi was from january to april. that is YOUR claim, so you must defend it. also conveniently ignoring that Lewa was injured during the crucial part of the season :lol:
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
EduAguirre7:

"Tell me a single player in history who has been given a Ballon d'Or for winning the Copa America."

"If Messi wins the Ballon d'Or it will be a real shame".

Cope or tru?
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
those are good points which ill take. but the onus is on you to demonstrate just how wonderful, as you say, messi was from january to april. that is YOUR claim, so you must defend it. also conveniently ignoring that Lewa was injured during the crucial part of the season :lol:

Exactly. He didn't even participate during the most important part of the season.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
tell me more about messi's phenomenal january to april form as barca finished 3rd in the league, lost all matches against madrid teams, and was knocked out of the CL in the R16. really, do tell me more about the glory messi won for barcelona in that period. im all ears

This has been discussed many times in this forum. Not interested in discussing again with you and do look back for those posts during this time period in this forum.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
copa del rey :lol:

Bundesliga :lol: The all mighty league that Bayern won 9 times in a row. It was much harder for Messi to win Copa del Rey last season with that awful Barca squad than for Lewa to win Bundesliga with Bayern. And I even won't start with Copa America where Messi was phenomenal.
 
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FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
Bundesliga :lol: The all mighty league that Bayern won 9 times in a row. It was much harder for Messi to win Copa del Rey last season with that awful Barca squad than for Lewa to win Bundesliga with Bayern. And I even won't start with Copa America where Messi was phenomenal.

Barcelona's struggles should play in favor of Messi really. Barca is not much without him. Of course, partly Griezmann too.
 

Hardy

Senior Member
EduAguirre7:

"Tell me a single player in history who has been given a Ballon d'Or for winning the Copa America."

"If Messi wins the Ballon d'Or it will be a real shame".

Cope or tru?

rivaldo and ronaldo won ballon d'or in years where they won copa america, not sure if it was counted though
 

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