21 - Frenkie de Jong

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Anyway, if we sell we won't get any huge money for him - 50ish million would be my guess. There is maybe also a possibility we would make a deal for a player in Pool' or City, I think he would like to play for one of them - also Newcastle, United or Tottenham could be interesting for him.
 

Gazzznigga

Active member
Anyway, if we sell we won't get any huge money for him - 50ish million would be my guess. There is maybe also a possibility we would make a deal for a player in Pool' or City, I think he would like to play for one of them - also Newcastle, United or Tottenham could be interesting for him.
Its high time you all stopped dreaming. No one pays a 50m for FDJ when they could possibly wait another year to get him for free....even the prodigal ones like ManU and Chelsea have become wiser.

I dont also see him agreeing to a much lower wage than currently. He might agree to a slightly lower one to align with the clubs financial restructuring drive but not some of the nonsense figures being pouted here. He is not the architect of the clubs financial misfortune, poor leadership,profligacy and timing issues ranked higher in the list of reasons behind Barca's near bankruptcy and current financial woes.

You lot talk about putting a player on the transfer market like it is an automatic decision based only the clubs whims. Raphinha was on the market in summer and there were offers but he refused to even listen to any one and instructed his agent as such . It still a players call, the club can only do little about it and no self respecting coach will agree to put a key player in the stands to support the club in putting pressure on such player to toe the line of a club in a contract stalemate. If Hansi considers him important, he will play regularly without minding the contract situation and if this is the case, you all should get ready to have FDJ in your faces either till his current contract expires ot Hansi leaves. The Dembele debacle should have taught you all a lesson. Xavi kept on playing Dembele despite all the boos. In most instances that a player with an expiring contract is considered important by a coach, the player hold the aces in negotiations. That why you see a lot of key players running down their contracts so they could get a high sign on bonus somewhere else rather than doing the club a favour if they disagreed on evaluation of their worth.

The key thing here is Hansi. If he believes he is important to his project, Barca may be forced to negotiate something close to what he thinks his worth is, otherwise, he will run out the contract on high wages +deferrals and then get a new club+ sign on bonus after the contract is finished. It his gain.

Really, most people here are not miffed because of what he gives on the pitch but more for how much he earns and I continue to wonder a lot if that or his refusal to begin another negotiation 3 years before contract expiration are worth beefing a player for. This is more interesting when most of those throwing tantrums would do exactly same thing and maybe worse if they had a similar situation facing them at work. None of the mofos blabbing here would readily accept a new contract stipulating a reduction in their earnings without weeping to their lawyer's office to file a breach of contract. Footballers are humans too. They want the most they can get for their relatively short career.

If he turns good under Flick, he would stay till
the end of his contract. Barca can decidewhat they want afterwards.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Doesn't matter if he'll have a year left on his contract - he's a quality player, he's well known and he's "only" 27. This summer we'll try to negotiate a new contract with him, if he doesn't agree on 15ish million we should put him up for sale. Since he would be sought after I can see Chelsea, United, City and Liverpool move for him - even making him one of their main players in their midfields. 50M for a player of Frenkie's caliber is more than alright, he'll boss in Premiere League for sure. We on the other hand are lucky at the moment to have so many amazing midfielders that we won't really miss him much
 
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Porque

Senior Member
Mikel Merino? Ivan Toney?

Players go for decent fees with a year left these days. Even ourselves got 50m (25m for us?) on Dembele with one year left.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Mikel Merino? Ivan Toney?

Players go for decent fees with a year left these days. Even ourselves got 50m (25m for us?) on Dembele with one year left.
Merino is one year older, not the same quality and his name doesn't carry the same "weight" like Frenkie's - yet he went for 35M.
But don't misunderstand me, I like Frenkie and think he's a good player. But not THAT good, he could never carry us to an important win in CL when it gets tough. He's not worth 25M, not even 15M - never was and never will be. He just got fucking lucky Barto was a stupid idiot that gave away insane contracts left and right.
Like I said, we have to get our wage structure in order. 20 for superstars, 15 for very important players, 10 for very good players, 5-10 for alright backup players - we can't have Frenkie making as much as Pedri, Gavi and Casado combined when it's time to renew. Impossible, we should never in a million years offer him anywhere close to more than 15. If he doesn't want to renew than I hope everybody acts like grown ups and he can look for another club if they would be willing to pay him 20-25M... spoiler, they won't. Reality will hit him after that insane contract he got will be running out, and I hope we put down the foot and won't let him dictate.
 
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Joan

Well-known member
The real question isn’t whether there’s a market for him, but whether he’s willing to leave. Expect he'd rather run down his contract and leave as a free agent in 2026.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
The real question isn’t whether there’s a market for him, but whether he’s willing to leave. Expect he'd rather run down his contract and leave as a free agent in 2026.
I hope we will all act like grown ups. His agent can ask around next summer how much Chelsea, United, City or Liverpool would be willing to pay for his services - than I hope they both can come down to earth again. We should say to him we would really hate to "divorce" on bad terms - but if he doesn't want to renew and doesn't agree to sign if Chelsea, United, City or Liverpool (or Juve, Inter, Bayern, Milan) want his signature and would be willing to pay 10-15M a year... than we freeze him out, two can play that game. We've treated him alright etc, he should be thankful for the insane wage he got and not try to screw us over even more...
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Also, make a deal with him - give him 10M fuck of bonus from the transfer fee if he really is THAT greedy...
So yeah, let's start talking to his agent already now - I hope we're already doing it. Give him until a couple of weeks before the window opens to make up his mind - than put his ass on the market (40-50M) first day it opens if he doesn't renew with us. No more fucking about...
 
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Gazzznigga

Active member
Also, make a deal with him - give him 10M fuck of bonus from the transfer fee if he really is THAT greedy...
So yeah, let's start talking to his agent already now - I hope we're already doing it. Give him until a couple of weeks before the window opens to make up his mind - than put his ass on the market (40-50M) first day it opens if he doesn't renew with us. No more fucking about...
:ROFLMAO:....you should be a favourite for Comed'or
 

kilian

Senior Member
I think it is very much possible that Pedri and him will form the best midfield duo in the world this season, with other players rotating for the third spot. All this crap about salaries will be irrelevant then. We'll see how the season goes.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Merino is one year older, not the same quality and his name doesn't carry the same "weight" like Frenkie's - yet he went for 35M.
But don't misunderstand me, I like Frenkie and think he's a good player. But not THAT good, he could never carry us to an important win in CL when it gets tough. He's not worth 25M, not even 15M - never was and never will be. He just got fucking lucky Barto was a stupid idiot that gave away insane contracts left and right.
Like I said, we have to get our wage structure in order. 20 for superstars, 15 for very important players, 10 for very good players, 5-10 for alright backup players - we can't have Frenkie making as much as Pedri, Gavi and Casado combined when it's time to renew. Impossible, we should never in a million years offer him anywhere close to more than 15. If he doesn't want to renew than I hope everybody acts like grown ups and he can look for another club if they would be willing to pay him 20-25M... spoiler, they won't. Reality will hit him after that insane contract he got will be running out, and I hope we put down the foot and won't let him dictate.

Yeah it was directed to the Girona goalkeeper. I agree with you.

Players go for good fees with a year left these days. Only thing that will hinder Frenkie is his huge wage compared to a Merino. So I expect he will either go for free or we renew with a much lower buyout like Dembele.

Difference now though is we have more leverage with finances thankfully.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
He was key when he came on against Madrid and I think he will play a very important part in Flick's team. I doubt either him or the club will want an exit by the end of this season.

In particular he is a very good athlete with great ballcarrying skills, and the vertical scheme will suit him better than a more patient possession system that we usually had previously to Flick.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Re watched the game and he wasnt key at all. Pedri carried everything. Acres of space all the time. Remains to be seen if he can press, run, work under pressure or finally be useful as dm.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Don't say anything, it's just typical de jong fans hyperbole, we've seen this story before..

just let them have this one, he genuinely had good game for real though.

But he didn't charge the game, the sub taking fermin off pushing Pedri up, changed the game, it helped that he is very good at retaining the ball.

If olmo was fit, he would have been the first sub and the result would have been the same, the key is fermin isn't a ball retention type of player.

And the pass to balde was good, but not some insane pass.

But he's fit and offers us something different so I'm glad he's available.
 
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