6 - Gavi
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ajnotkeith
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Gavi and Pedri have no real comparison or parallels. Pedri demonstrated world-class creativity and technical ability from the off.
Gavi's game awareness isn't even close and he is much worse on the ball. The problem is, he isn't athletically better either, or defensively.
At this point its hard to see Gavi's benefit for the team unless he starts to do better with the ball at his feet. He is not a physically dominant or defensively dominant midfielder and not particularly good at defending either, so if he doesn't add things in the offensive phase, he is not very useful.
There are much better ball winning midfielders to put in his place if that is what is needed. Frankly, I think we'd have been far better off without him in the side and its hard not to notice that the side seems to be much better with him out of it.
He is much more comparable to Pablo Torre and Fermin than any of the other midfielders, though, I don't think he is better than either of them at this point. Fermin is improving quickly and has shown goalscoring instincts as well as technical and athletic improvement. Pablo Torre is technical and can put a good ball in.
Gavi's game awareness isn't even close and he is much worse on the ball. The problem is, he isn't athletically better either, or defensively.
At this point its hard to see Gavi's benefit for the team unless he starts to do better with the ball at his feet. He is not a physically dominant or defensively dominant midfielder and not particularly good at defending either, so if he doesn't add things in the offensive phase, he is not very useful.
There are much better ball winning midfielders to put in his place if that is what is needed. Frankly, I think we'd have been far better off without him in the side and its hard not to notice that the side seems to be much better with him out of it.
He is much more comparable to Pablo Torre and Fermin than any of the other midfielders, though, I don't think he is better than either of them at this point. Fermin is improving quickly and has shown goalscoring instincts as well as technical and athletic improvement. Pablo Torre is technical and can put a good ball in.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Gavi is not even in the same realm as Pedri and never has been.
Lazy point to try and score some cheap points.
Folk argued over Pedri but is was generally about him being amongst the best in world or not... Gavi.. the argument is if he is better than Fermin and what position he even plays for Barca.
It was argued Pedri was slow.. he is an athlete compared to Gavi.
Lazy point to try and score some cheap points.
Folk argued over Pedri but is was generally about him being amongst the best in world or not... Gavi.. the argument is if he is better than Fermin and what position he even plays for Barca.
It was argued Pedri was slow.. he is an athlete compared to Gavi.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Something is messed up with his running mechanics, they are really inefficient. Only using quads basically and really short steps which is a very tiring way to run and limits his top speed.
On the surface he looks like he would be a decent enough athlete but despite being in good shape he's so immobile for someone of his age and size. For a guy as small as he is, and being only 20, it is concerning to see him struggling to sprint or turn.
If you watch him walk, he is almost bouncing off the floor? His pelvic tilt is bad and his running style seems to lack dorsiflexion, so I wonder if there is a underlying mechanical problem there.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Not really sure that he plays over Fermin either. Fermin seems to have a clear role and you can see what you get out of him. Good player who tries to stick to his strengths.
Gavi right now doesn't look like he has any position where he is adding to the team. He is trying to play in a way that is completely unsuitable to what he is athletically and as a player.
Currently he lacks strength and is really slow, and his strengths should really be on the ball rather than trying to be some kind of defensive hard man. His defending is pretty poor in general, as well as lacking recovery speed he positions badly and doesn't tackle well.
The way for him to be productive here is to stick to working on the ball and to try and add some quality to his game, as he has technical ability, but his brain is programmed in a certain way right now.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Pedri as a 10 had a good Euros and as AM from left was best midfielder at previous Euros.
Gavi has done nothing close.
Was clear as day to get the most out of Pedri and for his skill set he needed to play deeper even if a very good AM although too limited by way Xavi played him to high up so often.
With Gavi.. again there is nothing similar as hasnt shown he could be a top player deeper and certainly is not at AM.
Gavi has done nothing close.
Was clear as day to get the most out of Pedri and for his skill set he needed to play deeper even if a very good AM although too limited by way Xavi played him to high up so often.
With Gavi.. again there is nothing similar as hasnt shown he could be a top player deeper and certainly is not at AM.
Don't let the people who were hailing Frankie better than Pedri tell you Gavi is now useless.
Midfield is packed now and there is way more competition with Casado, Olmo and fully established Fermin.
Let's not forget Gavi had a year long injury. Many players never returned the same.
He had few great games and will continue to be used in rotation. Hope he finds even more minutes although I don't mind if it's him or Olmo or Fermin in those attacking midfielder roles.
Next year Bernal is back too. Hope we don't shit on him that quick as some did on Gavi who earned way way more respect during these last 3 years.
Midfield is packed now and there is way more competition with Casado, Olmo and fully established Fermin.
Let's not forget Gavi had a year long injury. Many players never returned the same.
He had few great games and will continue to be used in rotation. Hope he finds even more minutes although I don't mind if it's him or Olmo or Fermin in those attacking midfielder roles.
Next year Bernal is back too. Hope we don't shit on him that quick as some did on Gavi who earned way way more respect during these last 3 years.
Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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I'm cooling on him. He hasn't had an impact at all since coming back from his injury and too often reverts to passion merchant mode in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in the game. That is not enough to be a Barca midfielder.
He will never in a million years be an attacking midfielder, and we are well stacked with better players in the deeper midfield positions ( Pedri, Casado, maybe even Bernal. ). So, it's hard to find a place where this guy fits.
Frenk should be the first one to go, but Gavi should be the next on the chopping block. Certainly ahead of the likes of Fermin and Casado, either of which they should not consider selling for an instant.
He will never in a million years be an attacking midfielder, and we are well stacked with better players in the deeper midfield positions ( Pedri, Casado, maybe even Bernal. ). So, it's hard to find a place where this guy fits.
Frenk should be the first one to go, but Gavi should be the next on the chopping block. Certainly ahead of the likes of Fermin and Casado, either of which they should not consider selling for an instant.
People need to grow up and stop seeing criticism and concern about a players form as some vicious attack on a player. So boring, why not instead argue against the points made, if x person thinks he's not very good at something, point out that he recently showed a high level in this and that they are wrong, unless those examples don't exist.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Fake news.. Frenkie when better was called as that.. with always the comment that Pedri is not far behind and can over take soon once plays in position that suits him fully.
Always been huge Pedri fan and argued for him at length of getting in any team in world but needs to be given ball more.
Gavi is not 'useless' he has been lately but he is better than that. Just not to date been the player a lot seem to think.
His hard man act is wearing thin and looks like is being indulged to point other parts of his game are suffering. Looked better on the ball when first came through if anything.
Gavi has been more or less awful in the league and CL since came back.. he was good in Supercup though.
1. You've been claiming Frankie was best midfielder.
2. You praised Frankie's forward passing from last season in context of this squad.
Dishonestly omitting fact Gundo not being here anymore and Pedri being out for long time.
Fake comparisons and childish claims is your modus operandi. Pathetic
Shitting on Gavi is your last leg standing really.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yes when he was.. and always said 'Pedri not far behind and can over take soon' and would mention how Pedri needs to play deeper to get most out of him.
Love em both.
Frenkies forward passing is good.. no idea what point you are trying to make about Gundogan or Pedri there.
Haha 'last stand'.. just you keep thinking Gavi is an enforcer!
Pathetic.
Top stuff.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Anyway back to Gavi... needs to improve massively.
Looks slow, poor on ball and poor positionally.
Running about pressing like mad is good but also needs more quality on ball and to know when not to over press/leave game open.
Can only get better from this but does he have it in him to be a top player? Doesnt look like it currently.
Looks slow, poor on ball and poor positionally.
Running about pressing like mad is good but also needs more quality on ball and to know when not to over press/leave game open.
Can only get better from this but does he have it in him to be a top player? Doesnt look like it currently.
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