7 - Ferran Torres

[BBZ8800]

Some who switched:


Pierre Emerick Aubameyang

Roberto Firmino

Thierry Henry

Robin Van Persie

Not a striker. One who changed position - if my memory serves me correctly - and became a forerunner for Busquets, was Guardiola, moved by Cruyff.

True.
But on 5 examples who turned ok, I could write you 500 cases where the change of position was a Titanic, as always.
Just look at Barca in the last 10 years and you will find 10-20 cases of failures in terms of changing positions.

Players aren't born with a tag on their head saying they are born to play Certain positions, plenty of players developed better in positions they weren't groomed to be in their early career.
Yaya played as striker and CB before turning into midfielder
Messi and CR7 switched positions
Salah and Bale were LB.
Alba was a winger
Henry was a winger
Roberto and Mascherano were better defenders for us than midfielders.

Switching positions occur all the time, it just needs an open minded coach.
That said, I hope it is switching position, or stay as winger, rather than a loose idea of signing him as versatile player who can be used at both.
Said it before that this rarely worked for us

They aren't born with a tag.
But as always, like with my favorite player Arthur: a guy even played as a CM all of his life and he couldn't make a forward pass.
Because he couldn't change his way of thinking, instincts and patterns.
Now imagine a player who played as a winger or a fullback turned into a controller.
Do you think that his instincts will be the same as in a player who was played as a CM since the age of 7?

Or even worse, at a CF position.
Where one of the key skills are positioning, knowing when to run into space and similar.
Do I even want to mention a killer instinct for a striker?

Someone could say that all of Pep's attacking midfielders are doing an awesome job as attackers.
I would, on the other hand say that they suck.
They are all good at movement, possession and link up because they are attacking midfielders who know those things.
But more or less, all of them suck as attackers/killers and it is seen year after year in a CL against stronger opponents.
Those players are scoring goals here and there, but not enough or consistent as a natural No9.

This dude Ferran scored 16 league goals in his whole career.
I really don't think that we need a crystal ball to make a premature estimation whether he will turn into an awesome No9 for us.

** Just a random observation: do you think that Bayern would EVER buy a guy like him to be used as a No9?
They wouldn't.
They are Bayern. They have logic. They don't do stupid things.

We are Barca.
We are erratic, impulsive, emotional, prone to gambling and experiments which worked once in 20 case and then we are chasing the same results for the next 20 years.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Was it his right or left foot that got injured? Already seen shooting with his right foot only two days ago. Shouldn't be too far away.

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He is training together with Ansu and Memphis, both coming back from injury. They are training with the ball, but not playing contact football yet.

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[serghei]

Ferran is a mobile 9 or winger. It's not changing his position. Luis Enrique used him in both positions and he scored great goals.

Changing his position would be to use him as a midfielder.

 

[Dammie10]

True.
But on 5 examples who turned ok, I could write you 500 cases where the change of position was a Titanic, as always.
Just look at Barca in the last 10 years and you will find 10-20 cases of failures in terms of changing positions.



They aren't born with a tag.
But as always, like with my favorite player Arthur: a guy even played as a CM all of his life and he couldn't make a forward pass.
Because he couldn't change his way of thinking, instincts and patterns.
Now imagine a player who played as a winger or a fullback turned into a controller.
Do you think that his instincts will be the same as in a player who was played as a CM since the age of 7?

Or even worse, at a CF position.
Where one of the key skills are positioning, knowing when to run into space and similar.
Do I even want to mention a killer instinct for a striker?

Someone could say that all of Pep's attacking midfielders are doing an awesome job as attackers.
I would, on the other hand say that they suck.
They are all good at movement, possession and link up because they are attacking midfielders who know those things.
But more or less, all of them suck as attackers/killers and it is seen year after year in a CL against stronger opponents.
Those players are scoring goals here and there, but not enough or consistent as a natural No9.

This dude Ferran scored 16 league goals in his whole career.
I really don't think that we need a crystal ball to make a premature estimation whether he will turn into an awesome No9 for us.

** Just a random observation: do you think that Bayern would EVER buy a guy like him to be used as a No9?
They wouldn't.
They are Bayern. They have logic. They don't do stupid things.

We are Barca.
We are erratic, impulsive, emotional, prone to gambling and experiments which worked once in 20 case and then we are chasing the same results for the next 20 years.

What could possibly go wrong?

You?re right. 95% of those players can do a lot of things good on the different position because the coach analysed them and otherwise they would never made the switch. Unfortunately on that moment supreme where the details are decided on your talent for that position or instinct what goes along with it, they will fail. Especially against stronger opponents in a lets say direct midfield battle who have played there whole their lives. The total mindset switch will take years and years to develop that split second intuition for the different spot. Even then you will have a hard time against a top player who was born to play there

 

[MTL_Barca]

Plenty of players switched positions early in their career. Wing > central, 2nd striker > lone 9, winger > fullback etc. all aren't really crazy transitions. Don't forget he's only turning 22.

Of course someone like Ferran will most likely never develop into 9 that solely camps the box and nets goals, but it's not like he can't play there. Enrique and Pep both already used him as a striker, and they know a bit about football.

But even if not he can just play on the wing. It's not like he doesn't fit anywhere if 9 isn't the perfect fit, like it was the issue with Griezmann.

 

[BBZ8800]

Plenty of players switched positions early in their career. Wing > central, 2nd striker > lone 9, winger > fullback etc. all aren't really crazy transitions. Don't forget he's only turning 22.

Of course someone like Ferran will most likely never develop into 9 that solely camps the box and nets goals, but it's not like he can't play there. Enrique and Pep both already used him as a striker, and they know a bit about football.

But even if not he can just play on the wing. It's not like he doesn't fit anywhere if 9 isn't the perfect fit, like it was the issue with Griezmann.

I am not saying that he can't play there.
Especially if our level will be Uefa league.
Then he will be exactly on a required level of a No9.

About Lucho and Pep, well, yeah, those two are the only people in the world who make shit crazy experiments.
Pep has a filthy rich team filled with 25 superstars which can't do absolutely anything in a CL in KO matches.
And Lucho had 1 win in 6 matches at Euros over 90 minutes with his experiments.

Ferran to me looks like someone who could play as a false no9 in a Wallmart copy of Pep's football from 2011.
Sadly, it is not 2011 anymore.
And a Wallmart copy won't get you too far in 2022 when the majority of bigger teams have raised their level a lot.

I mean, I know, you guys need hope. We always need hope.
And you think that the things are getting better.

Yet we have:
1. Fati, who is neither a winger nor a No9
2. Ferran, who is a jack of all trades. We picked Trincao over him 18 Months ago, don't forget that.
After that he didn't make it at City and played for Lucho's NT team with 1 win in 6 matches, and now he'll be our savior. It sounds promising.
3. then we have Dembele, who is dumb and will be gone
4. then we have Coutinho, who is not a winger
5. then we have Depay, who is neither a winger nor a no9

Basically, we are continuing with our good old Barca's way where majority of all players are good at all positions, but aren't experts on neither of them.
Fc Jack of all trades 1899.

I am just waiting for a reply: but with a right coach (Pep), all of them would work perfectly and the team would click.

Ok, fine.
But what with other 99% of coaches on the planet who can't make wonders with mediocre players and who can't change players positions that easily?

Imo, the same as how we said a few years ago: it is unfair to compare Samper, Alena and kids with Xavi because no one will reach his level.
Maybe we should add the same about Pep.
I am not his fan, but he is obviously good at some things.
While majority of coaches who are trying to copy him can't do it right.

So, my point is: if something works for Pep, let's not mention it anymore.
It works for him because he obviously understands his football. And more or less no one else does and no one can copy it successfully.

So, instead of saying: Pep did it in 2011 or Pep is doing it with City, the real question should be: has anyone else done it?
How many wingers turned to Cfs in recent years you know?
Btw, Firmino scored 22 goals in 37 matches for Hoffenheim in Ferran's age. So, he was not some guy with 16 goals in his career turned into an awesome false 9.

Again, you need hope and it is not nice to kill your dreams right away, but let's say it out loud: Ferran as a No9 looks exactly the same (or worse) than recent ideas of Depay as a No9, Coutinho as a winger, Griezmann on any position in our attacking line etc.

 

[Mateka]

Very excited for this signing. He will do great things for us.
Our future is SO bright. ��

I think it is good to have a positive outlook. To believe the best. To see the glass half full. The long term future for Barca is bright. However, there may be some immediate lows to experience in the meantime. But the curve will be upward.

 

[mc_lovin]

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You are forcing your weird narrative again. In what world are Ferran and Fati not classic (inverted) wingers? They have clear positions in our setup, just like Dembele. Unlike Coutinho, Griezmann and co. We aren't even going crazy like Pep with his fronline of AM's

We went from zero wide forwards to Dembele, Ansu, Abde and Ferran. That's clear progress to a more 'normalized' setup. Your paranoia about 'BaRcA dNa' needs to end. It's not what happens in the real world.

Ferran being able to cover as a #9 is a mere bonus.

 

[MTL_Barca]

I am not saying that he can't play there.
Especially if our level will be Uefa league.
Then he will be exactly on a required level of a No9.

About Lucho and Pep, well, yeah, those two are the only people in the world who make shit crazy experiments.
Pep has a filthy rich team filled with 25 superstars which can't do absolutely anything in a CL in KO matches.
And Lucho had 1 win in 6 matches at Euros over 90 minutes with his experiments.

Ferran to me looks like someone who could play as a false no9 in a Wallmart copy of Pep's football from 2011.
Sadly, it is not 2011 anymore.
And a Wallmart copy won't get you too far in 2022 when the majority of bigger teams have raised their level a lot.

I mean, I know, you guys need hope. We always need hope.
And you think that the things are getting better.

Yet we have:
1. Fati, who is neither a winger nor a No9
2. Ferran, who is a jack of all trades. We picked Trincao over him 18 Months ago, don't forget that.
After that he didn't make it at City and played for Lucho's NT team with 1 win in 6 matches, and now he'll be our savior. It sounds promising.
3. then we have Dembele, who is dumb and will be gone
4. then we have Coutinho, who is not a winger
5. then we have Depay, who is neither a winger nor a no9

Basically, we are continuing with our good old Barca's way where majority of all players are good at all positions, but aren't experts on neither of them.
Fc Jack of all trades 1899.

I am just waiting for a reply: but with a right coach (Pep), all of them would work perfectly and the team would click.

Ok, fine.
But what with other 99% of coaches on the planet who can't make wonders with mediocre players and who can't change players positions that easily?

Imo, the same as how we said a few years ago: it is unfair to compare Samper, Alena and kids with Xavi because no one will reach his level.
Maybe we should add the same about Pep.
I am not his fan, but he is obviously good at some things.
While majority of coaches who are trying to copy him can't do it right.

So, my point is: if something works for Pep, let's not mention it anymore.
It works for him because he obviously understands his football. And more or less no one else does and no one can copy it successfully.

So, instead of saying: Pep did it in 2011 or Pep is doing it with City, the real question should be: has anyone else done it?
How many wingers turned to Cfs in recent years you know?
Btw, Firmino scored 22 goals in 37 matches for Hoffenheim in Ferran's age. So, he was not some guy with 16 goals in his career turned into an awesome false 9.

Again, you need hope and it is not nice to kill your dreams right away, but let's say it out loud: Ferran as a No9 looks exactly the same (or worse) than recent ideas of Depay as a No9, Coutinho as a winger, Griezmann on any position in our attacking line etc.

Just to get this straight from the start, i wouldn't even necessarily play him as a 9 or at least not buy him only/mainly for that. More something like Ansu-CF-Ferran, because midfield probably won't contribute much so would be nice if all strikers can score, what i believe Ferran will do for us. But out of different wingers Ferran at least seems like someone capable of playing in the center to me and i'm not too suprised he already played there. I would be fine with him as a winger as well, his versatility just adds to it and hopefully makes up for the price. Also not sure what Trincao has to do with it, Barca bought lot's of flops these past years but that doesn't make the players we didn't sign worse in any possible way.

No idea why you always feel the need to go into the same copy&paste rants all the time. Ferran Torres is a promising young attacker, mainly a winger but already played some games as CF lately, it's really not that deep beyond that. We currently don't really have anyone great there and that would most likely be the case no matter if he got signed or not, at best we would've maybe gotten Cavani or something. So let's just leave it at that and at least wait and see how we'll play in the coming months instead of already discussing it to death on hypothetical level before.

 

[Mateka]

El Chiringuito s Dario Montero, Barcelona cannot register Torres because their wage bill is 85 per cent and needs to get down to 70 per cent in order to register players.

There are two solutions to this issue according to Montero.

Firstly, Barcelona could work on new deals for Sergio Roberto and Ousmane Dembele with lower wages.

Alternatively, they would need to sell three of Samuel Umtiti, Philippe Coutinho, Luke de Jong, Yusuf Demir or Sergino Dest

 

[Andresito]

BBZ 'jack of all trades' 8800

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

BBZ 'jack of all trades' 8800

Yet his favourite is Rakitic. Jack of all trades.

 

[Messigician]

I agree BBZ

 

[Rory]

Don't think people see Torres as some sort of saviour. Merely a good addition that improves our attacking options. Young and talented with room to grow. Can play multiple positions well. Was getting in the City team more than enough considering the competition for places there.

 

[BBZ8800]

BBZ 'jack of all trades' 8800

Yet his favourite is Rakitic. Jack of all trades.

Classical defensive mechanisms whenever we sign a new player/get a new youngsters/or when results are bad, we are desperate and we need new hopes for the future.

Every negative post in these moments is accepted with anger, defending and is leaning towards insults.

Also not sure what Trincao has to do with it, Barca bought lot's of flops these past years but that doesn't make the players we didn't sign worse in any possible way.

Trincao has to do with it:
1. because 18 Months ago, we had to choose between Ferran and Trincao and we decided that Trincao is more promising than Ferran.
Now, that decision could mean:
1) that we just made a mistake and now we are trying to fix it
2) or: that Trincao REALLY was more promising than Ferran, which would mean that Ferran is quite shit
Yet, in those 18 Months, Ferran moved to City, did nothing but due to Laporta's obsession with domestic players (Olmo, Eric, Torres) and Xavi's obsession with Pep, suddenly Torres is considered as a good player even though not too much has changed since 18 months ago when we picked Trincao over him.

Imo, what we are witnessing among our fans is a good old desperation and unrealistic hope towards any new signing.
I'll be honest, I didn't watch Ferran too much, but from the fact that we picked Trincao over him and from his Youtube compilations from City, he looks average as fck.

1. he doesn't look like a speedy winger at all
2. his dribbles are meh, sloppy and he is often tackled or dispossessed due to a meh technique
3. he is falling down easily like Neymar
4. he often dribbles with his head down, like Abde
5. he looks like a way worse dribbler than Trincao
6. Trincao's compilations both before and after Barca look way more impressive

He looks like some random La Liga so-so winger.
The best thing about him are his goals from the middle, tbh.

I am happy that we got him because it is better to have him than current players (the same how it is better to have Nico than Puig), but that really doesn't say much.

Anyway, as always in the early days when we sign a player, I'll get tons of angry replies (btw, people didn't agree that Dembele is dumb when I first started to post it and for Months they asked: why? Why do you think that? Nothing indicates that, he is young and new). Or with Arthur, for two years people people didn't want to accept that he can't make a forward pass and that it is not a fault of everyone else but him.
So, I am not expecting that you guys will be open towards Ferran's flaws right away.

But since I am always triggered by crazy hype, I had to start this with this.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year