7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

[JamDav1982]

Lets hope we focus our attention on those potential bargains going forward. Thats all I am saying. Your bickering about cheap punt or bargain is just meaningless drivel. We cant continue to splash huge amounts on aging players anyway, when our squad is stacked with garbage on high wages. We hardly managed to offload any of our garbage players this summer and that cant continue.

Obviously everyone would like the club to look for bargains but it is not as easy as looking back on some you liked to point out that they were obviously good enough at the time. That is just false way to look at it and most seemingly great young players will probably turn out not to be Barca level.

 

[Jombi]

Obviously everyone would like the club to look for bargains but it is not as easy as looking back on some you liked to point out that they were obviously good enough at the time. That is just false way to look at it and most seemingly great young players will probably turn out not to be Barca level.

Its not difficult. Almost anyone can do a better job that our management. Signing dirt cheap players for 5m euros, far below market value, has very little risk involved. That is not in any way an argument against the strategy of looking at opportunities in the market (almost always young players). You seem to believe that every signing must be a success for such a strategy to succeed. But its the opposite. There will always be hits and misses, but the cost of those misses doesnt threaten our financial freedom. Lets say we sign Goretzka for 10-15m euros. Maybe he'll flop. But we can always recuperate the money if that happens. You have pretty much defended every single signing by this board, except Umtiti and Paulinho, regardless of how boneheaded the move is, and look how that has turned out. We have truckloads of players on high wages we cant get rid of.

 

[JamDav1982]

Its not difficult. Signing dirt cheap players for 5m euros, far below market value, has very little risk involved. That is not in any way an argument against the strategy of looking at opportunities in the market (almost always young players). You seem to believe that every signing must be a success for such a strategy to succeed. But its the opposite. There will always be hits and misses, but the cost of those misses doesnt threaten our financial freedom. Lets say we sign Goretzka for 10-15m euros. Maybe he'll flop. But we can always recuperate the money if that happens. You have pretty much defended every single signing by this board, except Umtiti and Paulinho, regardless of how boneheaded the move is, and look how that has turned out. We have truckloads of players on high wages we cant get rid of.

Sandro wasnt far below market value really and if he was then could never realistically expect low wages as if his value was 6m anyway. Cant have it both ways.

If La Liga striker scores 10-15 goals and not good enough he shouldnt be signed even if below a bigger market value.

Barca are not in a position to take punts on young players who are cheaper than can be expected and 'might flop' but hey they were cheap. That would be an absolutely terrible approach.

They need to identify young players they strongly believe is of the required standard and from there see how cheap they can sign those players.

Goretzka seems to be one type player that could have the ability but not likes of Sandro or any other player who has done relatively well and available for cheap.

I have not agreed with loads of signings you are telling more lies. You are good at that.

 

[Jombi]

Sandro wasnt far below market value really and if he was then could never realistically expect low wages as if his value was 6m anyway. Cant have it both ways.

If La Liga striker scores 10-15 goals and not good enough he shouldnt be signed even if below a bigger market value.

Barca are not in a position to take punts on young players who are cheaper than can be expected and 'might flop' but hey they were cheap. That would be an absolutely terrible approach.

They need to identify young players they strongly believe is of the required standard and from there see how cheap they can sign those players.

Goretzka seems to be one type player that could have the ability but not likes of Sandro or any other player who has done relatively well and available for cheap.

I have not agreed with loads of signings you are telling more lies. You are good at that.

Our management can not in any way be trusted in assessing the quality of players. I for certain does not have any confidence in their ability to identify these players. Their track record is terrible. It is clear based on the garbage we have signed over the years and you have vehemently defended.

You are saying that Goretzka is good enough? But he might flop. But such signings DO offer opportunities in the market. Regardless of whether he might flop or not. Thats usually not how we roll though. Signing a 28 year old for 50m is more our style. Not 22 year olds with 12 months left on their contract. The usual explanation is that "coach X" has rejected Goretzka, and insists on some 28 year old from Malaga instead. So we move for him instead. Or the "profile" of the player is wrong. Then we change coach. And we're stuck with the garbage.

 

[JamDav1982]

Our management can not in any way be trusted in assessing the quality of players. I for certain does not have any confidence in their ability to identify these players. Their track record is terrible. It is clear based on the garbage we have signed over the years and you have vehemently defended.

You are saying that Goretzka is good enough? But he might flop. But such signings DO offer opportunities in the market. Regardless of whether he might flop or not. Thats usually not how we roll though. Signing a 28 year old for 50m is more our style. Not 22 year olds with 12 months left on their contract. The usual explanation is that "coach X" has rejected Goretzka, and insists on some 28 year old from Malaga instead. So we move for him instead.

No I am saying Goretzka looks like a young player that would be worth signing for that price.

That is completely different from signing a young player that has done quite well is available for cheap but doesnt look good enough as in likes of Sandro.

You are lying again as you have been caught doing countless times in past.

Go back and read threads about player signings before speaking more crap.

I will own anything you can find and not lie about what I really meant as you tried to

Fair list of shite you spoke about right backs looking back....conveniently only ever mention you liked Sidibe though.

 

[DonAK]

Goretzka would actually come for free. I'm not 100% sure he'll suit us, but for free you cannot really complain, can you?

Strikes as a way more dynamic, faster, better defensively Rakitic willing to pass the ball forward to make something happen.

I'd take Goretzka and Coutinho for sure.

 

[Jombi]

No I am saying Goretzka looks like a young player that would be worth signing for that price.

That is completely different from signing a young player that has done quite well is available for cheap but doesnt look good enough as in likes of Sandro.

You are lying again as you have been caught doing countless times in past.

Go back and read threads about player signings before speaking more crap.

I will own anything you can find and not lie about what I really meant as you tried to.

Everyone knows you have always been a strong defender of the managment and their boneheaded moves on the market.

Leon Goretzka might flop. Thats the point. Anyone can flop. But we constantly ignore such opportunities in the market. All the time. Instead we move all-in on some far more expensive option. Usually older as well. This cant continue. With the amount of crap we have in our squad and La Masia not producing like it used to, we need to look for opportunities in the market and do far better than splashing hundreds of millions on duds.

 

[Jombi]

Goretzka would actually come for free. I'm not 100% sure he'll suit us, but for free you cannot really complain, can you?

Strikes as a way more dynamic, faster, better defensively Rakitic willing to pass the ball forward to make something happen.

I'd take Goretzka and Coutinho for sure.

I agree, but when was the last time we signed a Bosman player? He's not our typical signing at all. You know the drill: "our coach thinks some other player has a better profile, even though the player is older, worse and far more expensive". Then the coach leaves after a year or two.

 

[DonAK]

In fact, Goretzka and Coutinho would be absolutely perfect. You can have Coutinho adding more creativity and Goretzka adding steel and dynamism to the midfield.

Then you have Alenya as 3rd choice MF with The Don taking up the Xavi role. Roberto playing wherever he can, especially as Busi's backup.

 

[Jombi]

In fact, Goretzka and Coutinho would be absolutely perfect. You can have Coutinho adding more creativity and Goretzka adding steel and dynamism to the midfield.

Then you have Alenya as 3rd choice MF with The Don taking up the Xavi role. Roberto playing wherever he can, especially as Busi's backup.

Goretzka should have been signed this summer instead of Paulinho. We insisted on Paulinho though. Mind boggling.

 

[JamDav1982]

Everyone knows you have always been a strong defender of the managment and their boneheaded moves on the market.

Leon Goretzka might flop. Thats the point. Anyone can flop. But we constantly ignore such opportunities in the market. All the time. Instead we move all-in on some far more expensive option. Usually older as well. This cant continue. With the amount of crap we have in our squad and La Masia not producing like it used to, we need to look for opportunities in the market and do far better than splashing hundreds of millions on duds.

Nah you are lying again as I said. Go back and look.

You mention a thousand names of young players you have heard of. States they would be great signings. Ignore or lie about the ones you got wrong and bring up ones you got right.

 

[DonAK]

Goretzka should have been signed this summer instead of Paulinho. We insisted on Paulinho though. Mind boggling.

Well, you cannot change what you've done. At least Paulinho's gonna bring something different off the bench and play his heart out and not whine if he's benched unlike Rakitic.

 

[Jombi]

Nah you are lying again as I said. Go back and look.

You mention a thousand names of young players you have heard of. States they would be great signings. Ignore or lie about the ones you got wrong and bring up ones you got right.

Everyone here knows you are the biggest defender of our management. No need to lie.

Everyone cant get every player right (your example of 5m Sandro is ridiculous), but its fair to say that its very easy to do better than what our management has been doing for the past years.

 

[Jombi]

Well, you cannot change what you've done. At least Paulinho's gonna bring something different off the bench and play his heart out and not whine if he's benched unlike Rakitic.

True, but it does mean we are not likely to sign Goretzka. Another opportunity in the market completely ignored.

 

[DonAK]

True, but it does mean we are not likely to sign Goretzka. Another opportunity in the market completely ignored.

I don't think we would have been at Schalke games lately if we were not thinking about. First Robert and then the freeloader Braida.

The problem is not that we're unlikely to sign him due to Paulinho's signing. The issue at hand is that the people in charge are dumb as fuck or just slow.