7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

[serghei]

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]
Pep himself failed to fix the position dilemma with Cesc & Ibra. Sometimes it simply doesn't work no matter the coach
And This will bring us to the old "chicken or egg" discussion about whether it is the coach or sport department.
The sport department has left this team with the least depth in defense since 04/05 season. EV wanted back up LB and CB and he didn't get them.
EV wanted someone to make 442 possible and they didn't give him that.

Ibra was mostly a case of disciplinary issues. Plus, we were wrong to trade a very versatile and mobile forward like Eto'o, very combinative and amazing at link-up play, for a target man like Zlatan, who played as a clear central striker all his career almost. It was just a wrong transfer for us and the main fuck-up in Pep's 4 years with us. Was a really mindfuck transfer, made no sense. Guardiola disrespected Eto'o who was probably the no1 striker in Europe and proved it in that first season.

With Cesc, we already had an AM who was going nowhere in Iniesta, and another very skilled midfielder coming through our ranks in Alcantara. Signing Cesc was a mistake, because we already had that position covered and then some.

So, Cesc and Ibra cases, compared with Coutinho are very different. Ibra had Messi playing centrally, and Cesc couldn't have been an AM like with Arsenal, because we had a better offensive midfielder in that position in Iniesta.

But Coutinho, we don't have any creative midfielder in the team. Nobody to create from deep. Messi dropping deep is a an awful tactic, always has been. The ones saying Messi could do the job of Iniesta, or Xavi don't know anything about football imo. Coutinho is much more likely to succeeed as an attacking midfielder than Messi is.

 

[Cule For Life]

He’s going to be a Cesc 2.0 at this rate.

 

[CatalinR10]

He’s going to be a Cesc 2.0 at this rate.

Well at least cesc had like 15 goals and 20 assists first season , 14 goals and 14 assists 2nd , 13 goals and 17 assists in 3rd. That's over 40 goals and 50 assists in 3 seasons.

Coutinho has a lot to do if he wants to catch up even a barca flop.

 

[DonAK]

Cesc failed because he always disappeared in the second half of the season. His play in the midfield or as a false 9 from August to January was always great and absurd stats-wise.

 

[Alik]

Well at least cesc had like 15 goals and 20 assists first season , 14 goals and 14 assists 2nd , 13 goals and 17 assists in 3rd. That's over 40 goals and 50 assists in 3 seasons.

Coutinho has a lot to do if he wants to catch up even a barca flop.

Cesc always received unnatural levels of hate in this forum.

 

[DonAK]

I'd also wait before calling Coutinho for a flop.

Not like Valverde is the prime example of a manager great at utilizing good, creative players. Besides Dembele need a couple of bad performances for him to get benched again lol. He won't be given a long leash.

Only Barca players allowed to have shit performances or be in poor form and still start every game are Rakitic, Busquets and Pique.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

I'd also wait before calling Coutinho for a flop.

Not like Valverde is the prime example of a manager great at utilizing good, creative players. Besides Dembele need a couple of bad performances for him to get benched again lol. He won't be given a long leash.

Only Barca players allowed to have shit performances or be in poor form and still start every game are Rakitic, Busquets and Pique.

Great post. Coutinho is a quality player. It's coaches job to get the best out of him.

 

[MagIX]

Great post. Coutinho is a quality player. It's coaches job to get the best out of him.

and as usual EV is responsable
Who are we talking about? of a capricious child who needs his mommy and his pacifier ?

A kick in the ass worth 160mio !!!! this he needs, nothing else!
He has to move his ass and deliver, otherwise he can fuck off.

 

[Alik]

and as usual EV is responsable
Who are we talking about? of a capricious child who needs his mommy and his pacifier ?

A kick in the ass worth 160mio !!!! this he needs, nothing else!
He has to move his ass and deliver, otherwise he can fuck off.

When does EV get to fuck off?

 

[El Barcelona]

When does EV get to fuck off?

Yeah when? But what conserned me the most is who our bourd chose as replacement.

 

[Neeraj]

Let's face it. Coutinho is a fantastic player, but he needs to play in a specific style/position.

I would suggest everyone takes a break from this thread till Valverde leaves; there's no way we should come to any conclusions, especially along the lines of discarding him, basis his time under Valverde.

 

[BBZ8800]

There is only one coach who can find a tactic for both Dembele, Suarez, Messi, Coutinho and Arthur together:

Let's hope that Barto will hire him before some other club snatches him.

 

[Joan]

 

[KingLeo10]

Zidane's changed these past few months away from football @BBZ.

 

[xXKonan]

I want to see Valverde play that those guys together so BBZ goes into a Meltdown.

Hell, I want to us to intentionally miss out on Rabiot and sell Rakitic and go with more smaller technical Midfielders to see BBZ's reaction.