8 - Pedri

[serghei]

Positionally the team is on par where it should be in the league (1-2) but obviously the actual performances paint a much different picture.

The league performances that have been going unpunished are being punished in Europe. Being 2nd to Madrid by 4 points whilst not ideal is not a disaster, to be out of Europe by October is simply unforgivable.

Nah, if you add context and realize CL depends a lot on some details and luck of the draw, it's perfectly possible.

 

[serghei]

Yes and the point is it shows how poorly Xavi is doing in many respects to this point.

Not even a top coach. A lot of coaches would be doing better than Xavi has.

Yeah, other managers would be beating Madrid away because Madrid are shite. I get you.

As usual, you're not satisfied with a reasonable argument in which you're in many ways right, and you try to go to extremes.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nah, if you add context and realize CL depends a lot on some details and luck of the draw, it's perfectly possible.

Nah if you realise Barca have better squad than Inter Frankfurt and 'luck of draw' is less of an issue if win Europa and dont get dunted by Frankfurt.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, other managers would be beating Madrid away because Madrid are shite. I get you.

As usual, you're not satisfied with a reasonable argument in which you're in many ways right, and you try to go to extremes.

Haha that all you have left? Strawman.

Lot of coaches would be doing better with squad Xavi has.

Now it is 'extreme' to say a lot of coaches could do better than Xavi has with a squad Serghie was purring over a few months back.

 

[serghei]

Nah if you realise Barca have better squad than Inter Frankfurt and 'luck of draw' is less of an issue if win Europa and dont get dunted by Frankfurt.

Squad doesn't help you if you have 4 injuries in defense, and the rest of the players are old bums that you couldn't get rid of. That's bad luck.

I won't discuss it more. Xavi is to blame as well for what is happening (mainly tactical problems and his obssession with Busi), but other important factors most ignore are a) uncomplete squad, b) injuries, c) overrated raw players needing time to develop before playing at this level under this pressure, d) unreal expectations from fans. Probably some others too I'm missing right now.

The situation is difficult if you want big improvements overnight. Nobody could do it. Some improvements will be possible if you replace Xavi with a better manager, but not drastic ones without more investment in the team.

 

[JamDav1982]

Squad doesn't help you if you have 4 injuries in defense, and the rest of the players are old bums that you couldn't get rid of. That's bad luck.

Yes it does... that is exactly what a squad is for and it is two injuries in defence not three as unlikely Bellerin plays anyway.

Real had their 'best GK in world' out and Rudiger.

Same shit you tried about injuries excuse with Inter who themselves missed Brozovic and Lukaku.

More mental gymnastics about 'bums couldnt get rid of' as well.

Same squad you purred over as one of best in Europe a few months back.

Usual Serghie.

 

[serghei]

Lol, why are you giving Madrid as an example? They are La Liga and CL holders and different level than us. Rudiger is a sub for them, that's how good their CB pair is. For us, he would be no1 on the team sheet in defense.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lol, why are you giving Madrid as an example? They are La Liga and CL holders and different level than us. Rudiger is a sub for them, that's how good their CB pair is. For us he would be no1 on the team sheet in defense.

Real are not another level even if they won the CL. It was one of their easier games this season for long spells however.

The area they are on a different level is coaching. That is about it.

Their CB pair are not great.

They conceded goals for fun in CL and 4 to Barca last season.

Injuires are an excuse and no need to lie about four either.

Inter 'a different level' as well are they when they had important injuries also?

The defence was part of issue for Barca today but the bigger issue was the same problems in Barcas structure that has been there for too long.

Lewandowski is not looking dejected and trying to nail cunts as the defence is failing it is because he knows how imept the tactical set up was and how isolated he was constantly.

 

[serghei]

Lol, if they conceded goals for fun and won CL then it means other defenses were worse since they conceded even more goals, ergo Madrid had the best defense.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lol, if they conceded goals for fun and won CL then it means other defenses were worse since they conceded even more goals, ergo Madrid had the best defense.

What an awful response... yes other teams they played would also have had poor defences..

Haha a team can lose 10-9 and claim they had a good defence as other team were worse.

A Serghie classic.

Guess what... it is possible to have two shit defences chief in a game chief.

Ergo...they had the best attack would be more accurte in high socring games they win.

Changes nothing about the point. Their defence was poor in CL and conceded record number of goals in knock outs. Their attacking players bailed them out.

Reals defence is not great. There are a good few teams in La Liga defending better than them this season.

Yet they have one of their easiest days and sub GK barely tested as so easy to plan and get in shape v Xavis one dimensional set up today.

What about Inter?

They so good Barca cant beat and their injuries dont count?

 

[serghei]

Special addendum for Jamdav: Madrid have the best defense compared to current defenses out there, not compared to prime Milan Nesta, Maldini and Stam defense.

 

[JamDav1982]

This may be worst Serghie argument yet.

A team can lose 5-4 and claim they have a great defence as other team conceded more.

Fucking brilliant.

Have to remember this one for future reference.

Keep digging please. Need some more.

By this logic every team that ever wins the CL has the best defence out there... atacking players? Nah all about the defenders.

Sensational.

Coaches never see a defensive weakness in their team even if concede 3/4 as long as they win their defence was great.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Lol, why are you giving Madrid as an example? They are La Liga and CL holders and different level than us. Rudiger is a sub for them, that's how good their CB pair is. For us, he would be no1 on the team sheet in defense.

The reason there is now highly elevated expectations in LaLiga is because he has been so utterly terrible in Europe - it is entirely a situation of his own making. The draw to Benfica/0-3 to Bayern was forgiven as he hadn't worked with the team for long, then he struggled against Galatasaray in Europa League, then he was knocked out by a 9th place Bundesliga team, this year we couldn't even get past the group stages of the CL and are back in Europa League by October after spending 200m and bringing in many quality players.

If he can't perform domestically either what exactly does he bring? Absolutely nothing.

He has now forced himself into a situation where he has to win LaLiga due to his awful performance on other fronts.

 

[JamDav1982]

The reason there is now highly elevated expectations in LaLiga is because he has been so utterly terrible in Europe - it is entirely a situation of his own making. The draw to Benfica/0-3 to Bayern was forgiven as he hadn't worked with the team for long, then he struggled against Galatasaray in Europa League, then he was knocked out by a 9th place Bundesliga team, this year we couldn't even get past the group stages of the CL and are back in Europa League by October after spending 200m and bringing in many quality players.

If he can't perform domestically either what exactly does he bring? Absolutely nothing.

He has now forced himself into a situation where he has to win LaLiga due to his awful performance on other fronts.

Failing to win the Europa also played its part in the seeding for this season and being in group with teams like Inter who Serghie sees as juggernauts that cant be beaten.

 

[Iniesta Ultra]

All I saw today were easy lateral passes or wide punts to wingers.