8 - Pedri

fergus90

Senior Member
Musiala without question has attributes that exceed Pedri, great dribbler of the ball, always dangerous in the opposition's box. Scores and assists a lot too.

On the subject of Pedri, I love the kid but I don't actually think he's strung a great performance across a full game all season. He's made moments of creativity but also large periods of looking quite poor.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
I need to admit this above as Pedri fan, he does have momemts of brilliance but he is not on Musialla and Bellingham level.

Gavi is even few steps lower.

Pedri can be really good, but not in midfield with Busi and De Jong.

He needs Fabinho and Kdb let's say.

Him and Gavi, are weakmidgets that are getting buliied, they are just small.

And Pedri seems slugish little bit, he is not like Iniesta, quick feet, he is rather more precise but does not seem to have agiulity.
 

Blanco

Active member
He is just like Isco, maybe a little fitter and a little less technically gifted. Nothing like Iniesta, end product is missing.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Something to consider:
190 cm Gravenberch
189 cm Goretzka
183 cm Musiala
178 cm Sabitzer
177 cm Kimmich

82 kg Goretzka
80 kg Gravenberch
76 kg Sabitzer
75 kg Kimmich
70 kg Musiala

174 cm Pedri
173 cm Torre
173 cm Gavi

68 kg Gavi
63 kg Torre
60 kg Pedri

Barcelona female team:
178 cm Rolfo
173 cm Putellas
173 cm Oshoala
168 cm Walsh

70 kg Oshoala
67 kg Putellas
67 kg Walsh
65 kg Rolfo

Our midfield, lol. Barca DNA :)
Majority of our women's team are bigger than our future midfield trio.


This girl is bigger, taller, stronger, has more creativity and bigger "balls" (lol) than our Barca DNA midfielders.

Can you see the disparity?
How the rest of the world has moved towards athleticism (paired with skills, of course)?
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Pedri is suffering from Xavi as coach.

Last two games at LW... prior to that has been a positional cone CM/AM asked to play off Lewandowski at times, at others he is asked to play deeper and baby sit Busquets.

He doenst have a clear defined role in team to get on with and playing on front of sloths like Busquets doesnt help and playing with other CM/AM posted 40 yds away in their area as Xavi wants them to and also wingers 40 yds away on touchline..

Pedri is young and will be incosistent but Xavis tactics dont help at all.

Need Pedri closer to other players, have more freedom in a midfield trying to dictate ball and not have sloths like Busquets who cant do basics and need other players to cover them.

Xavi like he is doing with near enough all the players in team are playing them in way that doesnt suit them.

Against the la liga dross that is enough but not much above that.

Put him in a double pivot with FDJ and play Gavi at AM. Get the wingers narrower to support Lewa and fullbacks taking more width. It is not rocket science but Xavi is over thinkinhg everything and thinks the players are chess pieces as part of his genius and are letting him down.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
The height argument is a poor one.

Busi is over 6ft and worst/physically weakest of the lot.

PSG could have Veratti/Vitinha in midfield. City could have Foden and Silva etc.

The height is not the issue but the rest of team needs to be able to have power in it... not likes of Busi behind them.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Team doesn't have any more or less youth than most other top teams really.

Madrid have Rodrygo/Vini/Tchouameni and sometimes Camavinga in the starting lineup, Bayern have Musiala and Davies there, Chelsea with RJ/Mount/Gallagher etc. Not really that out of line with top teams that there are some youngsters regularly playing, maybe Gavi/Balde/Pedri are a little on the younger side, but doesn't really seem an excuse for a huge humiliation just because you have a couple young players.

Laporta is trying to spread that narrative in order to hide his own shortcomings in the way he's dealt with this past transfer market but everyone should see through it as the team isn't overly young compared to European competitors.


We are the team that use the most U23 (or was it U21?) players in top 5 leagues based on a research I've read a few weeks ago.


If we finally remove Busi from the lineup (which most of us want) and go with something like

MATS (30); Bellerin (27), Araujo (23), Kounde (23), Balde (19); Pedri (19), FDJ* (25), Gavi (18); Dembele (25), Lewy (34), Raphinha (25)

* Can insert Neves instead of FDJ, they're same age and we'll probably sign a younger RB as well.

Then average age of first XI would be around 24,3 years (23,8 for outfield players). That's pretty young tbh.


According to TM average age for a whole 25-man squad is 25,4 years (4th youngest in La Liga) but ofc include oldies like Pique and Alba who are phased out of the team and are expected to leave alongside Busi. In comparision Madrid's average age is 27,4 years and they'll probably keep Benz and possibly Modrić and/or Kroos around for another year.


If we look at El Clasico lineups:

Madrid: Lunin (23), Carvajal (30), Militao (24), Alaba (30), Mendy (27); Tchouameni (22), Modrić (37), Kroos (32); Valverde (24), Benz (34), Vini (22) - average age 27,7 years (28,2 for outfield players as it's obvious Courtouis is their #1 GK)

Barcelona: MATS (30); Roberto (30), Garcia (21), Kounde (23), Balde (19); Pedri (19), Busi (34), Gavi (18); Dembele (25), Lewy (34), Raphinha (25) - average age 25,27 (24,8 for outfield players)

But rather than just look at difference in age/experience I believe main difference between two teams is Madrid's veterans are still performing on a good level so they don't need to depend as much on the youngsters who get more time to develop in a more healthy environment. They were patient with Vini for 3 years. We'd give up on him long time ago (and as we I mean the club not fans who would obviously write him off after first bad game). Here likes of Pedri, Gavi and Ansu before his injuries were thrown into the water because we've had no other options. And yet we have folk complaining they're incosistent blabla not realizing how young they really are and taking much more responsibilities on their shoulders than they should.


Average age of Bayern's lineup last night was 26,2 years. They had a young defense (23 years) and Musiala but surrounded them with Kimmich, Goretzka and Gnabry who are all in their prime years (27) and Mane at 30. And this are exactly the players (age wise but ofc also based on their quality) that we lack.

As said in another post our players are either on a decline (been there for years except Lewy ofc) or youngsters still developing and earning experience. We don't have any established player in that 26-29 range that would've been at the club for a few years. FDJ and Dembele are the closest to that and for different reasons neither of them is seen as a leader of the team and are unlikely to become one as well when the old guard is finally gone. One of the reasons why we've signed Raphinha, Kessie and Christensen and why we're now looking at Neves for example.

But ofc they can fit age/experience criteria but still fail because they're 1. not good enough or 2. (which is more likely) because Xavi can't use all the new toys he wanted to sign in first place.
 
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BusiTheKing

Senior Member
He's just very slow twitch muscle fiber dominant. He can cover a lot of distance (aerobic effort) but can't compete with short, intense bursts of strength or acceleration. As football is often won and lost in the first few steps, his physique will always put him at a disadvantage there.

Nothing to do with his height tho :lol: bit of a numbskull suggestion.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Musiala wasn't particularly good in yesterday's games either. And as always it is easier to look good in teams who transition fast and play vertical. Look at someone like Bellingham who has something ridiculous like sub 70% pass success but in a team that is built to sell young talents and plays for it.

Pedri definitely lacks the natural physical assets of these two and it shows when he is peripheral to the match. Hell, he even lacks the physical assets of Balde which helped him hold his own against the Bayern team.

Back to Pedri, his big problem is not talent but that he is not "inside" the game, but drifts in and out. Xavi needs to decide if he wants Pedri to be the centre of the midfield or still go with Busquets. It's the same with Gavi, he is not influential enough in the game. But when the coach trusts him to be so, he is great.

Any young player will be inconsistent, but the whole picture is that we are more often than not not trusting the young players in important roles enough.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Pedri is naturally weak(not much to do with his height, you can be short and built like a brick: Adama) and lacks that agile swiftness Iniesta possessed. It's tough to describe but Iniesta at times glided through the pitch and was pretty swift across the turf.

Pedri has good vision and Football brain but doesn't have the balls to play the penetrative passes and chooses to play safe. You can see him pondering and choosing the easier option closest to him or out wide to the unmarked teammate. Pedri is useless in the final third.

I find him vastly overrated. People will realise soon.....

Musiala and Bellingham are much better but are English(well Musiala....) so they'll be labelled "overrated". The general English media hype has had a reverse effect nowadays where these European countries don't buy it at all.......
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Also, Pedri should start learning how to take corners and take indirect free kicks. Too limited his skill set.....

Dembele taking corners with his weaker foot when a "technically gifted world class mid" is in the team is weird.

Barca need a set play delivery specialist too imo. Raphinha and Dembele aren't good at them.

Neves would help in this department.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He's just very slow twitch muscle fiber dominant. He can cover a lot of distance (aerobic effort) but can't compete with short, intense bursts of strength or acceleration. As football is often won and lost in the first few steps, his physique will always put him at a disadvantage there.

Nothing to do with his height tho :lol: bit of a numbskull suggestion.

Dont agree with that and think he is better in the tighter areas than open game.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Pedri is naturally weak(not much to do with his height, you can be short and built like a brick: Adama) and lacks that agile swiftness Iniesta possessed. It's tough to describe but Iniesta at times glided through the pitch and was pretty swift across the turf.

Pedri has good vision and Football brain but doesn't have the balls to play the penetrative passes and chooses to play safe. You can see him pondering and choosing the easier option closest to him or out wide to the unmarked teammate. Pedri is useless in the final third.

I find him vastly overrated. People will realise soon.....

Musiala and Bellingham are much better but are English(well Musiala....) so they'll be labelled "overrated". The general English media hype has had a reverse effect nowadays where these European countries don't buy it at all.......

He is good in final third and has shown a lot on that fron for both Spain and Barca.

What doesnt suit is being posted up as an AM waiting for ball often with back to goal as Xavi wants players in stiff formation when have the ball.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Only watched him properly this season and I don't see how he's good in final third based on that time span?

Dont agree with that and think he is better in the tighter areas than open game.

That's not even up for debate. He's much better in dealing with tighter spaces. That's his biggest strength.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
I am beginning to get very disenchanted with him.
Just weak on all fronts. I am against the idea 9f playing both Pedri and Gavi together in a Cl game.
We should have bigger, more experienced players in midfield, not two small kids.
 

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