9 - Luis Suárez - v1

[jj_101]

Hein?

You're confusing everything and his opposite in there, this is not really about cr7.

And LOL no people do not exagerate missed sitters for Suarez and Neymar, they've missed a gazillion more than Messi, just watch last game's highlight or the compilation of Messi through balls in his threads.

YOU are the one who started talking about CR7.
No they haven't missed more chances than Messi. Suarez has a better conversion rate than Messi. That is a FACT. You saying that Suarez has missed more is FACTUALLY wrong.

 

[jj_101]

This is exactly why we need to not go out of the UCL too early haha.

And if Messi would have shown up we wouldn't be out.

 

[spark]

I am backing Suarez season here and I have never once voted in a MOTM thread. Not here or anywhere.
If Messi doesn't care about scoring goals, then maybe it's time to retire. And if Messi does all the playmaking then why does he only have 19 assists, he should have over 70 if that were the case.

Perhaps because Suarez, Neymar and Alba are at times guilty of over complicating clear chances in the final third. Do you actually think Suarez cutting the ball back after being sent through is the same as Messi playing finely weighted defense splitting passes?

 

[Vlom]

[MENTION=19567]jj_101[/MENTION] I will not discuss this further with you mate, I'll just find confort in the fact that the forum agrees with me through the MotM thread

Have a nice day.

Perhaps because Suarez, Neymar and Alba are at times guilty of over complicating clear chances in the final third. Do you actually think Suarez cutting the ball back after being sent through is the same as Messi playing finely weighted defense splitting passes?

It's stats mate, so it's axiomatically true, Suarez creates as much as Messi

 

[jj_101]

Perhaps because Suarez, Neymar and Alba are at times guilty of over complicating clear chances in the final third. Do you actually think Suarez cutting the ball back after being sent through is the same as Messi playing finely weighted defense splitting passes?

I (and the sport of football) measure results by goals scored. How they are scored does not affect the result or the measurement. Every goal has the same value in determining the result of a game. MSN reached there level because of the understanding between all three players. The run to latch on to a finely weighted pass is just as important as the pass itself (there is not one, without the other), and to take that finely weighted pass and produce a goal is even more important than the pass and the run.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

I (and the sport of football) measure results by goals scored. How they are scored does not affect the result or the measurement.

Literally no one does that or gerd muller, romario, papin, cristiano would be considered the best players ever.
Please you make zero sense.

 

[Vlom]

Haha, yes, the "number of goals and nothing else" classic CR7 fanboys argument; football is nothing but goals

 

[jj_101]

Literally no one does that or gerd muller, romario, papin, cristiano would be considered the best players ever.
Please you make zero sense.

Then why are Atletico playing today while we are not?

 

[Vlom]

Then why are Atletico playing today while we are not?

 

[jj_101]

BTW, most players dive when they have already lost the ball. They're trying to get it back with a foul call.

 

[spark]

I (and the sport of football) measure results by goals scored. How they are scored does not affect the result or the measurement. Every goal has the same value in determining the result of a game. MSN reached there level because of the understanding between all three players. The run to latch on to a finely weighted pass is just as important as the pass itself (there is not one, without the other), and to take that finely weighted pass and produce a goal is even more important than the pass and the run.

I'm talking specifically about playmaking not his overall impact on games. On this issue it would be misleading to equate the actions purely based on final assist total.

 

[jj_101]

I'm talking specifically about playmaking not his overall impact on games. On this issue it would be misleading to equate the actions purely based on final assist total.

You can make all the plays you want, but if they're not producing goals, then what's the point? Isn't the purpose of playmaking to produce goals? So the effectiveness of the playmaking should be measured by the goals it produces.

 

[Vlom]

You can make all the plays you want, but if they're not producing goals, then what's the point? Isn't the purpose of playmaking to produce goals? So the effectiveness of the playmaking should be measured by the goals it produces.

Playmaking can produce goals but after an Alba pass to Suarez for example, so there's pre-assist, or even pre-pre-assists involved.

Now you're just playing dumb on purpose and bringing everything back to numbers.

If people vote for Messi as MotM in a game where Suarez scored 4, it's for a reason, ff sake !

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

If people vote for Messi as MotM in a game where Suarez scored 4, it's for a reason, ff sake !

Yes and the reason is we are biased towards messi, .

 

[jj_101]

Playmaking can produce goals but after an Alba pass to Suarez for example, so there's pre-assist, or even pre-pre-assists involved.

Pre-assists are statistics that are also tracked. From Barcelona.com for this season:

Messi - 85
Suarez - 66

Messi has 19 more, yet if you and others say he's the only playmaker on the team, shouldn't the difference be much greater? And if you're going to value pre-assists more than actual goals that just rediculous. And going to pre assists is biased towards Messi because of his stature on the team. He obviously has the most touches of the ball every game.

You may be surprised how often numbers are used to evaluate things and put value on them. You should talk to your insurance company about this.