9 - Luis Suárez - v1
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Okey bro, answer me this, last season, Cristiano had more goals than Messi ..
Would you say, CR's 2014/2015 season was better than Messi's ?
Really looking forward to seeing you answer yourself.
No. Messi's was better because of the trophies won by the team. CR didn't win anything. The bottom line is this is a team sport and the results of the team are the most important thing. That's down to numbers as well Messi-5, CR-0. I also think Messi shouldn't have been MVP of the last World Cup.
Stats can still be used still.
His stats in the big games were better than cr7 leading us to victory in the important games.
(Vs la liga top teams, uefa knockots)
Messi was better statistically and subjectively
Forget Titles? Isn't that the purpose of football?
If you just want to judge things subjectively and artistically go watch gymnastics or ballet.
I cannot and will not forget about the titles because we are talking about football.
Even if Suarez scored 100 goals this season, HE would tell you last season was better because Barca won the CL.
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"Suarez is the sort of player who can make the difference with his movement," the ex-Bulgaria star told Sport.
"You don't just get that from training, but also from playing with players who understand each other. He has an understanding with his team-mates just like I had an understanding with [Julio] Salinas, [Jose Mari] Bakero, [Michael] Laudrup and [Ronald] Koeman. I never had to say a word to Romario to understand what he wanted."
"Suarez is an outstanding player and a born winner. He scores so many goals because he is always looking for a goal. He is always trying to pop up in the best position to support his fellow attackers."
Hristo Stoichkov
"You don't just get that from training, but also from playing with players who understand each other. He has an understanding with his team-mates just like I had an understanding with [Julio] Salinas, [Jose Mari] Bakero, [Michael] Laudrup and [Ronald] Koeman. I never had to say a word to Romario to understand what he wanted."
"Suarez is an outstanding player and a born winner. He scores so many goals because he is always looking for a goal. He is always trying to pop up in the best position to support his fellow attackers."
Hristo Stoichkov
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Get lost mate, forget titles because I'm doing a paralell between Messi VS CR7 with your Messi VS Suarez about stats and your answer was "no stats don't count in here but titles".
So imagine CR7 was in barça last season and played exactly the same, and had more goals than Messi.
You're asking for a lot of hypotheticals. In your senario, did Messi play for Real and win nothing? Because if he did then it's a slam dunk for CR7.
Your whole senario is a complete joke, because you're making up things that are not real. Like Ronaldo playing for Barca. Try to keep your comparisons to things that are real.
Because things that you imagine in your head are just that.
Titles are stats. The most important ones.
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Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
I'm making a scenario where 2 players win the same number of trophies, one play much better than the other, but the second has more goals.
I tell you last season Messi VS Cristiano, CR7 had more goal, obviously to make the parallel with Messi VS Suarez you need to ignore trophies cause those are not "stats".
But I got you mate, you can't answer that, because trophies aside, Messi was miles better than CR7 last season, even if CR7 had more goals.
So your arguments that stats stats stats, is void, now get lost
I tell you last season Messi VS Cristiano, CR7 had more goal, obviously to make the parallel with Messi VS Suarez you need to ignore trophies cause those are not "stats".
But I got you mate, you can't answer that, because trophies aside, Messi was miles better than CR7 last season, even if CR7 had more goals.
So your arguments that stats stats stats, is void, now get lost
Total-Football
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you are polluting this thread by speaking about messi .. you are not making a point , you're looking for excuses to talk about him.
If both players didn't win anything, I'll take the one that scored more goals. So if Messi han't won anything last year, I would say Ronaldo had a better season.I'm making a scenario where 2 players win the same number of trophies, one play much better than the other, but the second has more goals.
I tell you last season Messi VS Cristiano, CR7 had more goal, obviously to make the parallel with Messi VS Suarez you need to ignore trophies cause those are not "stats".
But I got you mate, you can't answer that, because trophies aside, Messi was miles better than CR7 last season, even if CR7 had more goals.
So your arguments that stats stats stats, is void, now get lost
Just like you will see that if Ronaldo wins the CL this year, he will get the Ballon d'or. Even if Messi scores 20 goals in the next two games. Trophies trumps everything. Wasn't it Messi himself that said he would trade all his Ballon d'ors for one World Cup? So why don't you go cry to him.
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Okey, so you don't understand this game
As I said, same shit argument that somehow CR7 fanboys have imposed as true goals player A > goals player B = Player A had the best season. That's wrong, in every possible universe.
In the game of football, the object of the game is to score more goals than the opposition. If you score more goals your team wins the game and gets points or advances in a tournament. If your team has the most points at the end of a season or wins a tournament then they get a trophy.Okey, so you don't understand this game
As I said, same shit argument that somehow CR7 fanboys have imposed as true goals player A > goals player B = Player A had the best season. That's wrong, in every possible universe.
Like I said you should be following gymnastics or ballet with your Messi doll because that is what you want to do. Fantasize about Messi doing all these wonderful artistic and wonderful things. The outcome of the game seems to be a distraction to you that is of secondary importance.
You don't understand the game. Because Messi and Barcelona DID WIN all those trophies last year. If MSN didn't perform to the level that they did to get those trophies, then Messi wouldn't have won the Ballon d'or.
You want to create a fantasy to make a point that Messi>CR7 therefore he's had a better season than Suarez. How retarded is your logic?
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Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Ohh boy, I gave you the argument proving you're wrong, you don't wanna accept it again because it doesn't suit you
So okey, Suarez was the best player in the universe this season, too bad the forum (MotM thread) doesn't think the same... awwwww, pooor thing.
And me and my Messi doll are gonna go have sex now, no time to loose with loosers, babaaaye now
So okey, Suarez was the best player in the universe this season, too bad the forum (MotM thread) doesn't think the same... awwwww, pooor thing.
And me and my Messi doll are gonna go have sex now, no time to loose with loosers, babaaaye now
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