9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Gnidrologist]

Barca last season 68 goals in 38 matches = 1,79 goals per match
Bayern 97 in 34 matches = 2,85 goals per match

Bayern had 678 shots over 34 matches = 20 shots per match
Barca had 14 shots per match over 38 rounds.

So, even in terms of shots, Lewa will get 33% less shots than at Bayern (even if he clicks perfectly).

Yes, this season will be exactly the same as last one, despite having heavy upgrades (including Bob himself) and different coach under which we already saw significant improvements in attack even with far inferior players. Gotta love muh stats autists.

 

[serghei]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], I don't get your argument. Other that players age and drop off compared with their prime of course.

Ronaldo scored many goals in Serie A. He scored 29 goals in 2020/21 aged 36.

What are you even arguing here? Ronaldo is a bad example for your case. Scoring nearly 30 goals in a season and ending up as top goal-scorer is a great result.

If Leandowski scores 30 goals aged 36 in La Liga for Barca 2 years from now he is gonna be a huge hit.

 

[BBZ8800]

Comparing stats from a season we had Abde-Luuk Deajong-Jutgla attack for us

I would say not fair

True.
But this season we have 2 new players in attack.
And history says that new players rarely perform well in their first season here.

People are looking only at names and think that we are way stronger.
Not taking into the account chemistry, learning team's actions and tactics.

 

[serghei]

True.
But this season we have 2 new players in attack.
And history says that new players rarely perform well in their first season here.

People are looking only at names and think that we are way stronger.
Not taking into the account chemistry, learning team's actions and tactics.

It depends. If you sign players of 24-25 years of age, when they are primed and ready to go and they are mentally strong, they can have quick impact. It happens.

Some of the players we signed came from big clubs, in strong leagues. It's not like we brought some Trincao from Braga and we expect him to be a huge hit. We didn't sign kids, but players of prime age to help us mount a title challenge and maybe win La Liga right now.

Raphinha, Christensen, Kessie, Lewandowski, Kounde. They will be expected to play well from the start.

 

[serghei]

Messi was scoring 50 goals a season at an age when CR7 was mostly a 20 goal a season show-pony and Lewa was in Polish league.

Different players with different peaks. Lewa won't fall off a cliff but he most likely won't also score 50 goals this season like he was at Bayern.

Benzema scored 27 last season, while taking penalties, if I remember well. I think Lewa can push towards that and maybe even beat the number starting with his first season. If he keeps close to Benzema, he will deliver what is needed from him. If he delivers in CL too against the best teams, it's already an amazing return.

Last season there were several games vs lower level teams like Vallecano, Granada, where we basically bossed the game but lacked a box predator to unlock their deep block. Lewandowski makes easy meal of those types of games which basically hurt us last season even more than derbies, which we did remarkably well in.

 

[BBZ8800]

It depends. If you sign players of 24-25 years of age, when they are primed and ready to go and they are mentally strong, they can have quick impact. It happens.

Some of the players we signed came from big clubs, in strong leagues. It's not like we brought some Trincao from Braga and we expect him to be a huge hit. We didn't sign kids, but players of prime age to help us mount a title challenge and maybe win La Liga right now.

Raphinha, Christensen, Kessie, Lewandowski, Kounde. They will be expected to play well from the start.

Let's just remember some of the former transfers and high expectations:
Ferran = from high hopes to ridiculed by a majority in 6 Months
Griezz = 9 La liga goals in his first season, sold after 2 seasons
Frenkie De Jong = lost in space for 4 years. Came as the future best midfielder in the world
Arthur = 2nd best midfielder in the world. Ridiculed by a majority in the end
Dembele = 5 seasons of mysery. Injured and scored 3 goals in his 1st season
Coutinho = started ok, soon disappeared
Semedo = zero impact ever

Who was the last signing by Barca who had an immediate impact?
Also, who was the last signing from abroad who clicked well right away and made an impact?
Umtiti was the last one, iirc.

 

[MTL_Barca]

Kinda weird to post these essays on Lewandowski of all players but alright.

He'll be fine, even washed up Auba with a worse team and no pre season scored lots of goals.

 

[Barcilliant]

People are going to extremes here. He will score goals but he won't have Bayern like numbers. I see around 20 goals in la Liga and maybe 6 to 7 in other comps.

 

[Masetro10]

Let's just remember some of the former transfers and high expectations:
Ferran = from high hopes to ridiculed by a majority in 6 Months
Griezz = 9 La liga goals in his first season, sold after 2 seasons
Frenkie De Jong = lost in space for 4 years. Came as the future best midfielder in the world
Arthur = 2nd best midfielder in the world. Ridiculed by a majority in the end
Dembele = 5 seasons of mysery. Injured and scored 3 goals in his 1st season
Coutinho = started ok, soon disappeared
Semedo = zero impact ever

Who was the last signing by Barca who had an immediate impact?
Also, who was the last signing from abroad who clicked well right away and made an impact?
Umtiti was the last one, iirc.

I would say Paulinho made a pretty good impact

 

[iniestaGOAT]

I would say Paulinho made a pretty good impact

Depay auba ferran all contributed to top 4 last season

Rakitic pedri paulinho and all other fools solid signings

 

[vegitot]

Let's just remember some of the former transfers and high expectations:
Ferran = from high hopes to ridiculed by a majority in 6 Months
Griezz = 9 La liga goals in his first season, sold after 2 seasons
Frenkie De Jong = lost in space for 4 years. Came as the future best midfielder in the world
Arthur = 2nd best midfielder in the world. Ridiculed by a majority in the end
Dembele = 5 seasons of mysery. Injured and scored 3 goals in his 1st season
Coutinho = started ok, soon disappeared
Semedo = zero impact ever

Who was the last signing by Barca who had an immediate impact?
Also, who was the last signing from abroad who clicked well right away and made an impact?
Umtiti was the last one, iirc.

Hear that 2nd best midfielder Arthur will back to Laliga.

 

[vegitot]

Depay auba ferran all contributed to top 4 last season

Rakitic pedri paulinho and all other fools solid signings

Pedri wasn't expected much from beginning, even thought he would go on loan. But he immediately turns to key player, golden boy...

Paulinho, many laughed at him first. Turn out he was also good and had good impact.

 

[BBZ8800]

Depay auba ferran all contributed to top 4 last season

Rakitic pedri paulinho and all other fools solid signings

I have mentioned additional factors:
1. Coming from La Liga to La Liga (Rakitic and Pedri) is not the same as coming from a Northern-European football style to Latino-technical-Spain (Lewa)
2. Being a Brasilian and coming to Spain (Neymar, Paulinho) is not the same as being Polish coming from Germany (different football, physique of players, culture, weather, different attacking and defending styles)

Also, FinBarcelona mentioned that stats from chances created are from the last season with different strikers.
My initial feeling is that Auba gets in more chances than Lewa due to his better pace.
Lewa has already showed glimpses of granny pace in a preaseason and that majority of his shots will be from a static position (when he receives a pass around the box), tap ins and headers.
Don't expect counters, running into space or dribbles from him.
Or, even if you do expect those, don't expect them in 6 or 12 months.

I don't have anything in general againt Lewandowski.
But we splashed 50m on nothing again and he'll be absolutely finished and a sub level soon.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if by the March, majority here turn their back on him, ask for him to get benched and ask for other random combinations like Auba, younger Fati as Cf and similar.

But in this moment, majority of posts feel as if we have just signed a 23 years old prime Ronaldinho and as if we are set for the next 4 years at a Cf position.

In reality, next June, we'll probably again search for a new, younger Cf.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Yeah, man. As per usual you have everything figured out using data and great reasoning skills. Just don't run away into hidig again, if your serious ass prognosis turns out dog poop.

Btw, suarez was even slower and physically weaker, not to mention, technically inferior, in his later years and still scored 20+ goals.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Yeah, man. As per usual you have everything figured out using data and great reasoning skills. Just don't run away into hidig again, if your serious ass prognosis turns out dog poop.

Btw, suarez was even slower and physically weaker, not to mention, technically inferior, in his later years and still scored 20+ goals.

I don't think Lewa will be sub level like BBZ is saying or 'absolutely finished' but there are some points in there worth considering.

Just looking at how Messi and Ronaldo did, the 2 superstars of Lewa's generation, after moving to a new team at an old age, you can observe that even the best players in the world don't move to new teams at 34 years old and do extremely well.

I think he may score a good amount of goals, perhaps 25-30 in the season or even more in all competitions, but those come at a cost. At Bayern in his last years he hasn't done much pressing at all and despite the proclamations of some, he is not a great playmaker with world-class linkup play, and if he scores a lot of goals but without an all-around game it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be worth it. Ronaldo at MU last season was the same - he scored a lot of goals, but the output of all other forwards decreased at the same time.