Alexis Sanchez

Since you didn't get it I must say it myself... It was a message tho the Alexis "fanatics" which sometimes are quite agressive with the others :neymar:

And thanks for the compliments, it wasn't necessary;)

You are sitting on quite a high horse there pal, maybe you should climb down.
 
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Flavia

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Since you didn't get it I must say it myself... It was a message tho the Alexis "fanatics" which sometimes are quite agressive with the others :neymar:

There aren't any Alexis fanatics around here, though.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Have you done it? I mean analyzed his goals individually? You just say it out that "are not coming from brilliant individual play or great individual skill" but do they? I doubt and oyu should be one to prove because you are just repeating the same all the time without giving any proof.
As far as I can remember there are variety of goals this season from him, some of them genius like (R Madrdid), some of them smart, some of them just being in right place in right time, and remember the latter is also a skill not a gift from heaven.

You've got Youtube and you've got free statistical websites at your disposal. Don't take my word for it if you don't agree with it, take a few minutes and see for yourself. Tell you what, don't go back too long if you don't have time. Watch his last 5 games and his last 5 goals.
 

rixxer

New member
You've got Youtube and you've got free statistical websites at your disposal. Don't take my word for it if you don't agree with it, take a few minutes and see for yourself. Tell you what, don't go back too long if you don't have time. Watch his last 5 games and his last 5 goals.

Like I said, if you make a claim, back it up. And last five is no sample.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Like I said, if you make a claim, back it up. And last five is no sample.

I've backed it up, you need to go back and read all I've written instead of coming to the conversation mid stream and making dumb comments. Last 5 games is in fact a sample, considering it represents a third of Alexis' production this year.
 

rixxer

New member
All I read is the claim that his goals and assists he has delivered this season are quite simple tap ins in easy positions, not much skill needed. Well I can argue that (if my memory serves me well) at least half of those goals and assists were not that simple tap ins from easy positions but rquire a kind of skill set that not just any striker possesses, but is exactly the skill set that Barca winger-striker should have. As you made this claim I just expect some more concrete evidence (not very hard to find as you probably know) to back that kind because what I've seen from videos I would say you are just saying it because it serves your overall argument about Alexis, I simply do not see only tap ins from easy positions, but awarness and his good reading of Barca's game. Anyways, if you still believe not backing anything up, then very well, no point arguing word against the word.
 
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Flavia

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People really have some problem with tap-ins? To score them you need to be great in positioning.
Romario scored a lot of tap-ins, and one of the best cf's ever because of that. Van Nisterlooy, Klose and other were also great at that.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
All I read is the claim that his goals and assists he has delivered this season are quite simple tap ins in easy positions, not much skill needed. Well I can argue that (if my memory serves me well) at least half of those goals and assists were not that simple tap ins from easy positions but rquire a kind of skill set that not just any striker possesses, but is exactly the skill set that Barca winger-striker should have. As you made this claim I just expect some more concrete evidence (not very hard to find as you probably know) to back that kind because what I've seen from videos I would say you are just saying it because it serves your overall argument about Alexis, I simply do not see only tap ins from easy positions, but awarness and his good reading of Barca's game. Anyways, if you still believe not backing anything up, then very well, no point arguing word against the word.

Firstly, I did not speak of assists, so don't try to add criteria to the discussion that was not original in it. Secondly, I mentioned specifically the last 5 goals as example, which represents a third of Alexis' goal scoring production, which you still dismissed as not being a good sample.
I have provided enough to substantiate my claim, short of posting videos for every single goal he has scored, video who I have actually watched before posting this by the way. The best you can do however, is come at me with a "IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME WELL" Now, who is the one making unsubstantiated claims here? If you can't take 5 minutes to visit youtube and watch the videos and come at me with something more than "what your memory serves you," don't expect me to give you the info chewed out and neatly organized for you.

But here, I'll throw you a bone. Alexis has 16 goals, 10 of which, have been easy scores or fluky goals. That's almost two thirds, if you can't tell. Want more stats? Ok. Alexis' pass success is the worst of any player at Barcelona at 79%, 5% lower than any other forward, while at the same time, passing almost the least of any regular player. More stats? Ok. Alexis' performance in the UCL is considerably worse than that of La Liga. Yes, even this season where he has played much better, his performance in the UCL is still significantly below that of La Liga. (Whoscored rating of 7.72 in La Liga vs a 6.96 in UCL. Previous seasons are worse). Want more? OK. Alexis has barely averaged a dribble per game while at Barcelona. If you average his La Liga alone, he cracks exactly 1 dribble per game. That is of course, without taking into account UCL, in which he has been substantially worse. (0.4 dribbles per game). For context, Dani Alves, a fullback, has averaged the same in La Liga and much better in the UCL.

Of the two of us, you're the one coming at me with just opinion and no facts. You can disagree with my opinion, that is perfectly acceptable, however if you're going to dismiss it and further, if you're going to cast suspicion on it, you better have something more than "what your memory serves you." You're the only one "not backing anything up."
 
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Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
People really have some problem with tap-ins? To score them you need to be great in positioning.
Romario scored a lot of tap-ins, and one of the best cf's ever because of that. Van Nisterlooy, Klose and other were also great at that.

This is not directed at you Flavia because you're clearly commenting to rixxer's comment. But if people are just going to join the conversation midstream and comment on the last post without regard to the previous ones, then the complete wrong message and idea is what they're going to get.
I already said a few posts back that I did not want to diminish these goals too much, because they do show awareness and they show he is in the right position. I merely posted it to show that his improved goal tally is in direct proportion to a large amount of these goals, and this is concerning because fortune will no always be by your side, and complex team play that leads to them can and has been shut down by tough defenses. In those times, you need individual skill to shine, and I'm not convinced Alexis can be depended for this.
 
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Flavia

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This is not directed at you Flavia because you're clearly commenting to rixxer's comment. But if people are just going to join the conversation midstream and comment on the last post without regard to the previous ones, then the complete wrong message and idea is what they're going to get.
I already said a few posts back that I did not want to diminish these goals too much, because they do show awareness and they show he is in the right position. I merely posted it to show that his improved goal tally is in direct proportion to a large amount of these goals, and this is concerning because fortune will no always be by your side, and complex team play that leads to them can and has been shut down by tough defenses. In those times, you need individual skill to shine, and I'm not convinced Alexis can be depended for this.

I often see people dismissing tap-ins here in the forum. Mostly because cr scores a lot of them.

I think Alexis has those skills. He has scored some skillful goals, like the one against rm. I think there were at least 2 more long range shots, and that fk. But the players don't shoot from outside the box very often.

Alexis main problem is confidence. So far Tata seems to have helped him fix that. The tie against city will be a good test to see that.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
I often see people dismissing tap-ins here in the forum. Mostly because cr scores a lot of them.

I think Alexis has those skills. He has scored some skillful goals, like the one against rm. I think there were at least 2 more long range shots, and that fk. But the players don't shoot from outside the box very often.

Alexis main problem is confidence. So far Tata seems to have helped him fix that. The tie against city will be a good test to see that.

Truly awesome goals, he's got the RM one, the long range shot vs Valladolid, and the free kick vs Elche. Apart from that he's got a couple of nice finishes, but the majority are him just finishing great team play. It is a concern of mine, because I've seen Alexis not be a factor when teams clamp down and don't allow Barcelona to weave their intricate play to lead to easy goal. The team needs Alexis to score from individual skill, and IMO that is not his strong play, he is a support player.
 

rixxer

New member
This is not directed at you Flavia because you're clearly commenting to rixxer's comment. But if people are just going to join the conversation midstream and comment on the last post without regard to the previous ones, then the complete wrong message and idea is what they're going to get.
I already said a few posts back that I did not want to diminish these goals too much, because they do show awareness and they show he is in the right position. I merely posted it to show that his improved goal tally is in direct proportion to a large amount of these goals, and this is concerning because fortune will no always be by your side, and complex team play that leads to them can and has been shut down by tough defenses. In those times, you need individual skill to shine, and I'm not convinced Alexis can be depended for this.

How people can actually join to conversation that they don't start, if not midstream?

However, all I see is here is an arguement, if Alexis, as good as he has been in this season, is a player worth to be member of Barca squad. You claim that he may be a good player but does not have a skill set to deliver in Barca and if smbdy is just pointing out his stats this season (and assists are very important in that case) you just dismiss majority of them as simply tap ins- so not actually as a proof of his individual skills (needed to shine in Barca). Firstly, I repeat- I've just watched his goals and assists (to refresh my original memories) and I definitely do not agree that large amount of them were just fortune. Imho, they were quite often part of the complex team play that he finished or provided. So, "who scored stats", although I do understand that you want to use that to back up your original arguement, is not part of my arguement. I just kindly ask you to really watch his goals this season again and if you still think they were more to luck than skill (not only first touch and dribbling but more his undersatnding etc) then so be it.
 

Kohe321

New member
The "easy" tap-ins come from great teamwork and good positioning. Are we really going to start giving him a tough time for actually scoring goals, they were just not "good enough"?

Also, it's just false, this season alone he has made some absolutely terrific goals. Can't remember against who, but he scored a screamer at the start of the season from outside the box into to the top right corner. Also, the goal against Real Madrid was perfect, and there has been several other nice ones. To even start complaining about Alexis' goalscoring this season is really absurd. It would be looking for issues where there are none. He is doing his job very well this season so far, and that's all that matters - here and now in the present and going forward things are looking very promising for him at Barca.
 

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