Alexis Sanchez

[BBZ8800]

The thing with alexis is even though he gets goals he's still not really known as a goalscorer. You're not expecting him to score unlike prime villa, Pedro or henry. This means we rely on messi too much as neymar doesn't score too much.

This is why I would get rid of him for Reus, but I still think he's a great player and does great off ball work offensively and defensively.

Eaxctly.
Alexis could work if we had Messi+some other player in our forward line who would easily bang 40 Goals each Season.
Then we would have 2 monsters in the attack, and then we would need a lot of hard workers like Alexis to compensate that.

But, when we have only Messi who can score.
Ney who will hopefully start to score one day in the future, and a midfield which is also pretty sterile (Iniesta, xavi, Busi), then we are in troubles.

Our team is built around Messi and extra expensive Ney, and we can't change those two.
Alexis is just not the right 3rd guy for those two.
3rd guy has to compensate Ney's, Iniesta's and Xavi's sterile play in front of Goal.

Alexis can't do that.
Again, he scores mostly when Messi is NOT on the field.
He scores and plays good when Messi is not around.
When Messi is here, Alexis trips over the ball and just passes to Messi.

So again, he just don't fit our current formation and he doesn't fit alongside current Messi and Ney.
Those 2 need a different player to return a (lethal) balance to the attacking line.

 

[Hamzah]

If Pedro was on form then he's perfect even though he's an inferior player to alexis. Like you said we need a proper goal threat.

I still want to keep alexis though.

 

[CatalinR10]

Still Alexis=No trophies

Still lazy Messi = no trophies

Still injured Valdes = no trophies

Still Masche at Cb = no trophies

Still Busquets out of form = no trophies

Still Iniesta out of form = no trophies

Still shitty Pedro = no trophies

Still Xavi declining = no trophies

Still Cesc out of form in the 2'nd part of the season for 3'rd time in a row = no trophies

Still had to play an average keeper in big games = no trophies

Still Alves not defending and crossing 30 balls/game to 1.69 players = no trophies

Still Neymar out of form and out injured a total of 2 months = no trophies

Still have a board who didn't transfer a WC CB in the last years = no trophies

Still had a coach with no experience in Europe or at a big club who ,,Today we didn't want Messi to engage much in the game " = no trophy

Still Affelay watching the games in the stands ( because we can blame random players for not winning a trophy ) = no trophy

 

[serghei]

@BBZ8800, dude, you live in a dream world. No winger is capable of scoring 40 goals per season as you say. Our game relies more on Messi, just like RM's relies on Ronaldo and Liverpool's relies on Suarez. In 2008/09 season we had around 70 goals in La Liga, divided between Messi, Henry and Eto'o, but that's because our game was not meant to make Messi shine, like it is today. We don't really have a trio like we used to have back in 2009. Now we have Messi and his two helpers.

 

[BBZ8800]

Still lazy Messi = no trophies

But Messi had both good and bad Seasons. (I know, you said lazy Messi)
Sometimes he won trophies, sometimes not.

Alexis=No CL Trophies
Fab=No CL Trophies

 

[serghei]

Alexis=No CL Trophies
Fab=No CL Trophies

I see... all we have to do is sell these two players and we're a lock to win CL 2014/15.

 

[te amo barca]

that trolling
just let him say what he wants

 

[BBZ8800]

@BBZ8800, dude, you live in a dream world. No winger is capable of scoring 40 goals per season as you say. Our game relies more on Messi, just like RM's relies on Ronaldo and Liverpool's relies on Suarez. In 2008/09 season we had around 70 goals in La Liga, divided between Messi, Henry and Eto'o, but that's because our game was not meant to make Messi shine, like it is today. We don't really have a trio like we used to have back in 2009. Now we have Messi and his two helpers.

Ok. I agree with this.

But, let's be realistic then:
-- why do you believe that something will be better next Season if we stay with Ney-Messi-Alexis line?

Ney will maybe improve, maybe he won't. Hard to tell. (I know, people say that he will, but you can't be too sure)
Messi? If he will be in Goat mode, we can still end without trophies.
If he will continue in his granny mode, we are in serious troubles because we rely only him and the game is built around him, and he plays weaker, compared to his standards.
Alexis? Maybe he will repeat the current Season. But maybe he will be much weaker, again.

I want to say:
-- either we will have to change our game not be only a Messi dependant
-- or we can continue this way, but we will need slightly different players

I just don't see how things will improve if we will rely only on Messi, and Alexis will be crappy as always when Messi is on the field.
And if Ney will continue to be not too lethal infront of Goal.

Benatia, Marquinos, new MC, I don't see how will that improve our CL chances if we will keep on the same sterile Messi-Ney-Alexis line.

Just look back at matches against Atletico.
How many times has our line Messi-Ney-Alexis ended a match as winners against them?

Elche and other matches in the last 10 rounds.
Do you think that our attacking line will suddenly start to play better than the last Season, with the same attacking players?

If you believe in that, then you are very romantic and too optimistic, imo.
And please don't reply with: Alexis scores XX Goals, our team scored XX Goals in total.

Again, I could answer to everything:
"We won 0 CLs since Alexis is in our attacking line"

And I am not trolling.
He and his style of play that doesn't fit our formation and that doesn't suit our over-dependance on Messi is also one of the reasons for 0 Champions leagues.

 

[serghei]

Ok. I agree with this.

But, let's be realistic then:
-- why do you believe that something will be better next Season if we stay with Ney-Messi-Alexis line?

If Lucho works on the off the ball movement and effort put in every game and he gets rid of that tendency we have to run everything through Messi, I guarantee it.

 

[CatalinR10]

But Messi had both good and bad Seasons. (I know, you said lazy Messi)
Sometimes he won trophies, sometimes not.

Alexis=No CL Trophies
Fab=No CL Trophies

Get your head out of your ass , even though you love the smell . There were a ton of variables in why we didn't win trophies this year. Go watch the voting match thread , with the votes in the last game , Alexis is on the 3'rd spot , even in front of Iniesta. And now you will probably say that the match thread shouldn't be taken too seriously but if Alexis would have been in the last spots , you would have felt differently.

And you don't even take into consideration the fact that Pedro was close to shit compared to Alexis in the last 3 years but you don't spend time in the Pedro thread saying that he shoud be gone ..you still want Alexis gone. Also you are naive or dumb enough to even think we would get a better replacement for Alexis ( Suarez/Reus ) with the board that we have right now.

 

[BBZ8800]

If Lucho works on the off the ball movement and effort put in every game and he gets rid of that tendency we have to run everything through Messi, I guarantee it.

Ok.

Just a theoretical question.

If Lucho makes some changes, and we try some different things. But at the end of the Season, we still get knocked in let's say QF of CL, with our current trio: Messi-Ney-Alexis. (And if will be sterile in front of Goal against big teams)

Would you, or other guys who love Alexis, then say:
a) Ok, maybe we should really change something in our attacking trio Ney-Messi-Alexis?
b) or: No
-- we have to improve further in the midfield and pressing and then our attack will win CL again?

(If you get me?)
Is there a line/moment when even you, or other Alexis fans, will say: Ok, 4-5 Seasons without CLs was enough, maybe it really has something to do with Alexis?

Or, he will never be guilty and you would keep with him forever and try to change everything else, before finally, you will change him?

(Again, I am asking seriously:
= for how long would you tolerate Alexis and 15-ish League Goals per Season, and zero CL trophies, if it continues like in the last few Seasons?)

 

[BBZ8800]

Get your head out of your ass , even though you love the smell . There were a ton of variables in why we didn't win trophies this year. Go watch the voting match thread , with the votes in the last game , Alexis is on the 3'rd spot , even in front of Iniesta. And now you will probably say that the match thread shouldn't be taken too seriously but if Alexis would have been in the last spots , you would have felt differently.

And you don't even take into consideration the fact that Pedro was close to shit compared to Alexis in the last 3 years but you don't spend time in the Pedro thread saying that he shoud be gone ..you still want Alexis gone. Also you are naive or dumb enough to even think we would get a better replacement for Alexis ( Suarez/Reus ) with the board that we have right now.

Awesome reply with the ass part. Good one, bro. How old are you?

Pedro is cheaper. He is also poor like Alexis.
But he is a local guy and we haven't splash Millions on his transfer like on Alexis.

Also, Pedro could be a "joker" forever, when we need him.
If we find better players, like Delo or someone in the future, he can go also.

About Alexis, again, how many times he was good when both Ney and Messi are on the field?
He is usually good when one of them is missing.

But since our game is built around Messi and Ney, and they will usually be on the field, then Alexis usually sucks.

 

[CatalinR10]

Awesome reply with the ass part. Good one, bro. How old are you?

old enough to not give a shit I guess

Pedro is cheaper. He is also poor like Alexis.
But he is a local guy and we haven't splash Millions on his transfer like on Alexis.

at even comparing Pedro to Alexis. Pedro was sub average most part of the last 3 years. But hey , let's continue playing him because he's local. You and the board have many things in common.

Since these days players are sold even with 100 M , I don't consider 33 or 37 M that much anymore. Based on this season , he was worth that money.

Also, Pedro could be a "joker" forever, when we need him.
If we find better players, like Delo or someone in the future, he can go also.

We don't need him. He should already go so players like Deulo or Adama would get more minutes.

About Alexis, again, how many times he was good when both Ney and Messi are on the field?
He is usually good when one of them is missing.

A lot of times , if you really put these types of questions , you might be having selective memory.

But since our game is built around Messi and Ney, and they will usually be on the field, then Alexis usually sucks.

Well , he did score a top 5 goals of the season against the team who just won the CL , and could have had the winning title goal against Atletico but hey , let's sell him and get Llorente or anyother player who would downgrade the team.

 

[BBZ8800]

We don't need him. He should already go so players like Deulo or Adama would get more minutes.

Let's just say that we disagree on Alexis and that I don't believe too much in our "gems" from La Masia.

We won't win CL with bench players like Delo, Adama, Ie, Bartra, Montoya.

 

[Hamzah]

Bartra, adama and delo have potential to be first teamers.