Andoni Zubizarreta

[JamDav1982]

Sure, LE got the "final" say. He was chosen to be the coach because of Zubi's efforts, so it's understandable why he trusted Zubi on douglas and verm.

No one knows if Lucho only agreed to signing of Verm and Douglas on Zubis say so. I am sure at time it was said that it was the scouts who had identified Douglas as possible option and passed on all that info to Lucho/Zubi to have final say.

Lucho is stronger than just going along with Zubi with little knowledge in my opinion.

Was there not runours that it was Lucho who put an end to the possibility of Kroos? He also wanted Bravo when Ter Stegen had been lined up as No.1.

 

[pacp_96]

I know that. I was talking about Rosell. He was not the one that appointed Lucho. Bartomeu/Zubi did that. Rosell on the other hand preferred Tata as I wrote.

Signing ter-Stegen was one of the few "highlights" of his career as a sporting director at the club. As a former world class goalkeeper this is not really surprising. If he had fucked that up too his time at the club would have been even more embarrassing.

Anyway let's wait with calling Lucho a success story. At this time last year many people were saying the same about Tata and look how that ended!

Yeah of course. Don't get me wrong, Zubi was an inept and incompetent DOF but I just felt that he deserves credit for the few successes that he has had.

I agree that Lucho we should wait with calling Lucho a success but we are playing better under Lucho ATM than we ever were under Tata. Other teams are fearing us again which we haven't said for a few years now.

 

[instinct]

As for Bravo, Lucho once said that he doesn't know anything about goalkeepers and therefore De La Fuente or Unzue (don't know exactly) suggested Bravo and Zubi signed him.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Yeah of course. Don't get me wrong, Zubi was an inept and incompetent DOF but I just felt that he deserves credit for the few successes that he has had.

I agree that Lucho we should wait with calling Lucho a success but we are playing better under Lucho ATM than we ever were under Tata. Other teams are fearing us again which we haven't said for a few years now.

Sure, no doubt. Zubi became a scapegoat almost all alone but in reality he was just part of the wider problem which was/is called the board. Zubi was never good enough. His time at Athletic should have shown Rosell that. Bartomeu has been cleaning some of the mess up lately though. Even he saw where it was going.

No doubt that we are playing much, much better than last year but in order to be labelled a success story at FCB you have to win titles. Playing good for half of the season is not good enough.

To be honest then we have only really played great football since the defeat at Anoeta IMO.

 

[Flavia]

No one knows if Lucho only agreed to signing of Verm and Douglas on Zubis say so. I am sure at time it was said that it was the scouts who had identified Douglas as possible option and passed on all that info to Lucho/Zubi to have final say.

Lucho is stronger than just going along with Zubi with little knowledge in my opinion.

Was there not runours that it was Lucho who put an end to the possibility of Kroos? He also wanted Bravo when Ter Stegen had been lined up as No.1.

Yes, LE chose Rakitic over Kroos. LE also insisted Xavi stayed. Unzue wanted Bravo. But the scouts responded to Zubi, they were his team. Check Douglas' prsentation and listen to what Zubi himself said. That they were scouting him for TWO years. And Zubi still brought him to Barça.

The medical team told Zubi not to sign Vermaelen, but he went away with it anyway. Have you forgotten his words? That Vermaelen would have immediate impact?

They're both on Zubi only. So is Song. Zubi's to blame on those 3. The board's fault was to trust him as sporting director.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes, LE chose Rakitic over Kroos. LE also insisted Xavi stayed. Unzue wanted Bravo. But the scouts responded to Zubi, they were his team. Check Douglas' prsentation and listen to what Zubi himself said. That they were scouting him for TWO years. And Zubi still brought him to Barça.

The medical team told Zubi not to sign Vermaelen, but he went away with it anyway. Have you forgotten his words? That Vermaelen would have immediate impact?

They're both on Zubi only. So is Song. Zubi's to blame on those 3. The board's fault was to trust him as sporting director.

I am not denying that Zubi played a big part in signing Vermaelen, Song or Douglas.

But the job of Sporting Director has always been about gathering different opinions and going after players. It is their area of control.

For example Laporta gets credit for Pep as manager when he wanted Mourinho and it wasnt his choice. People give him credit as he put in place the people to make that decision which is fair enough.

Its the same with Zubi he put Lucho in charge and gave him a lot of scope and backed him to take in those players.

It was Zubi who wanted Lucho, it was Zubi who met with him and discussed his vision and from there Lucho was given a lot of control over tranfers. More so than Tata or Tito.

Zubi made loads of mistakes no doubt but the tranfers of last summer had a lot to do with him - good and bad.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I am not denying that Zubi played a big part in signing Vermaelen, Song or Douglas.

But the job of Sporting Director has always been about gathering different opinions and going after players. It is their area of control.

For example Laporta gets credit for Pep as manager when he wanted Mourinho and it wasnt his choice. People give him credit as he put in place the people to make that decision which is fair enough.

Its the same with Zubi he put Lucho in charge and gave him a lot of scope and backed him to take in those players.

It was Zubi who wanted Lucho, it was Zubi who met with him and discussed his vision and from there Lucho was given a lot of control over tranfers. More so than Tata or Tito.

Zubi made loads of mistakes no doubt but the tranfers of last summer had a lot to do with him - good and bad.

Laporta never wanted Mourinho. What are you talking about? Appointing Pep was Laporta's idea. Other board members wanted Mourinho.

No, it had very little to do with him. Douglas, Vermaelen were/are gigantic flops. Bravo was a personal wish of Lucho. Mathieu too. Rakitic as well. So he deserves credit for buying Suárez for 85 million euros? That transfer had more to do with Bartomeu anyway.

His contribution to the club in terms of transfers has been nothing more than shocking. Just like during his time at Athletic were he was kicked out too.

Yes, LE chose Rakitic over Kroos. LE also insisted Xavi stayed. Unzue wanted Bravo. But the scouts responded to Zubi, they were his team. Check Douglas' prsentation and listen to what Zubi himself said. That they were scouting him for TWO years. And Zubi still brought him to Barça.

The medical team told Zubi not to sign Vermaelen, but he went away with it anyway. Have you forgotten his words? That Vermaelen would have immediate impact?

They're both on Zubi only. So is Song. Zubi's to blame on those 3. The board's fault was to trust him as sporting director.

No point in discussing this. JamDav1982 lives on a different planet entirely when it comes to the judgement of this current board. I am talking from past experience in previous debates.

 

[Flavia]

I am not denying that Zubi played a big part in signing Vermaelen, Song or Douglas.

But the job of Sporting Director has always been about gathering different opinions and going after players. It is their area of control.

For example Laporta gets credit for Pep as manager when he wanted Mourinho and it wasnt his choice. People give him credit as he put in place the people to make that decision which is fair enough.

Its the same with Zubi he put Lucho in charge and gave him a lot of scope and backed him to take in those players.

It was Zubi who wanted Lucho, it was Zubi who met with him and discussed his vision and from there Lucho was given a lot of control over tranfers. More so than Tata or Tito.

Zubi made loads of mistakes no doubt but the tranfers of last summer had a lot to do with him - good and bad.

I don't give Laporta credit for Pep, he wanted mourinho. Cruyff convinced him. But Laporta did put people more capable than zubi in charge. Zubi should had be fired long ago. After signing Song as a "player could play cb".

 

[JamDav1982]

Laporta never wanted Mourinho. What are you talking about? Appointing Pep was Laporta's idea. Other board members wanted Mourinho.

No, it had very little to do with him. Douglas, Vermaelen were/are gigantic flops. Bravo was a personal wish of Lucho. Mathieu too. Rakitic as well. So he deserves credit for buying Suárez for 85 million euros? That transfer had more to do with Bartomeu anyway.

His contribution to the club in terms of transfers has been nothing more than shocking. Just like during his time at Athletic were he was kicked out too.

You have got that the wroung way round.

Mourinho was said to be favourite of board until the interviews where I think Tkixi and cant remember the other said the club had to forget Mourinho and go for Pep.

I think Cruyff had pushed for Pep to be interviewed as well.

It appears you are the one that dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I don't give Laporta credit for Pep, he wanted mourinho. Cruyff convinced him. But Laporta did put people more capable than zubi in charge. Zubi should had be fired long ago. After signing Song as a "player could be play cb".

Where is the proof of Laporta wanting Mourinho? As far as I recall certain leading board members wanted Mourinho and Laporta gave him the chance to present his project to the board. In the end Laporta discarded Mourinho as an option. Cruyff was/is very close to Laporta and has been a mentor of his. There is nothing strange about Laporta seeking advice from Cruyff. Every president since Núñez has done so.

Ultimately Laporta was the president that appointed Pep. Just like it was Laporta who appointed Rijkaard while Rosell wanted him fired half-way into his first season.

You have got that the wroung way round.

Mourinho was said to be favourite of board until the interviews where I think Tkixi and cant remember the other said the club had to forget Mourinho and go for Pep.

I think Cruyff had pushed for Pep to be interviewed as well.

It appears you are the one that dont know what you are talking about.

Not at all.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't give Laporta credit for Pep, he wanted mourinho. Cruyff convinced him. But Laporta did put people more capable than zubi in charge. Zubi should had be fired long ago. After signing Song as a "player could be play cb".

Were those under Laporta really more capable though?

For every Song, Douglas or Vermaelen look at 70m spent on Ibra and Etoo given away in that deal. Look at 50 odd million wasted on South American players that never played.

People are reducing the job of Sporting Director to recommending players to sign for some reason. But the best thing a sporting director can do is get the right manager in and listen to them. Thats what Zubi did last summer. Thats what turned Barca round when Pep came in.

Again, he made mistakes but last summer was a good one for Barca.

 

[Flavia]

Where is the proof of Laporta wanting Mourinho? As far as I recall certain leading board members wanted Mourinho and Laporta gave him the chance to present his project to the board. In the end Laporta discarded Mourinho as an option. Cruyff was/is very close to Laporta and has been a mentor of his. There is nothing strange about Laporta seeking advice from Cruyff. Every president since Núñez have done so.

Ultimately Laporta was the president that appointed Pep. Just like it was Laporta who appointed Rijkaard while Rosell wanted him fired half-way into his first season.

If I'm not mistaken, Txiki wanted mou, and Laporta agreed with him. The name of the board member who suggested Pep first is unknown, but Cruyff played a big part in Laporta ultimately choosing him.

 

[JamDav1982]

Where is the proof of Laporta wanting Mourinho? As far as I recall certain leading board members wanted Mourinho and Laporta gave him the chance to present his project to the board. In the end Laporta discarded Mourinho as an option. Cruyff was/is very close to Laporta and has been a mentor of his. There is nothing strange about Laporta seeking advice from Cruyff. Every president since Núñez has done so.

Ultimately Laporta was the president that appointed Pep. Just like it was Laporta who appointed Rijkaard while Rosell wanted him fired half-way into his first season.



Not at all.

Youve proved my point exactly.

You are giving Laporta credit for Pep.

 

[JamDav1982]

If I'm not mistaken, Txiki wanted mou, and Laporta agreed with him. The name of the board member who suggested Pep first is unknown, but Cruyff played a big part in Laporta ultimately choosing him.

Did Tkixi not interview them both when Mou was fav for job? Mou refused to change his abbrasive style towards media etc and they came out of the interview saying it had to be Guardiola.

Cruyff had pushed them towards Pep but it was def said at time that Mou was the first choice of Laporta and the board up until that point.

 

[Leo_Messi]

If I'm not mistaken, Txiki wanted mou, and Laporta agreed with him. The name of the board member who suggested Pep first is unknown, but Cruyff played a big part in Laporta ultimately choosing him.

That's not how I remember it. I recall Txiki, Soriano and a few other leading board members wanting Mourinho. Laporta gave him the chance to present his project, vision, the players he wanted to buy etc. (I even recall reading Sport and MD editions that featured Mourinho's preferred starting 11 etc.) but in the end Laporta rejected Mourinho.

Regardless of who came up with the idea first then it was Laporta who signed Pep. So the credit goes to him as he had the final say. He could have said no and appointed Lippi for instance who was rumored as a successor of Rijkaard back in the summer of 2008 as well. Or Mourinho obviously.

Anyway JamDav1982 lives on a different planet entirely when it comes to the judgement of this current board. I am talking from past experience in previous debates.