Andoni Zubizarreta

[Flavia]

I'm sorry but how is Douglas "clearly" Zubi's signing? In that case shouldn't Henrique and Keirrison be "clearly" Txiki's signings?

Zubi's team scouted douglas for 2 years. Zubi's words. Just watch douglas' presentation.

 

[JamDav1982]

Henrique and Keirrison were one of the few bad purchases that Txiki made. I never denied that. Please read post 575.

Zubi himself admitted that he had been following Douglas for 2 years during his presentation. Is that not enough proof to conclude that Douglas was NOT Lucho's idea? Lucho probably did not even know who he was!

Luchos preferred option to strengthen the right back/wing-back was Cuadrado. His preferred central defender was not Mathieu either but Marquinhos.

Vermaelen too was Zubi's signing and his team.

Few bad purchases?

I bet if you compare the number of bad purchases and money spent then Txikis time dwarfs the past 5 years.

 

[JamDav1982]

Zubi's team scouted douglas for 2 years. Zubi's words. Just watch douglas' presentation.

I dont think his point is that Douglas is not Zubis but the double standards used.

 

[Flavia]

Exactky thats what I am saying. The double standards are unreal.

Any player Lucho asked for Zubi gets no credit but then goes on to list players like Alves, Pique, Keita that were all players Pep asked for but no Txiki gets credit.

I am not even saying Zubi was great but these rules are ridiculous.

Txiki being better than Zubi wasn't that hard, as Zubi was really bad at his job. It's not about giving credit for players that the coach asked for, though. But for the ones they didn't.

Also, zubi's failure to bring a CB for 4/5 seasons makes him the worst sporting director we had in recent history, hands down.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I dont think his point is that Douglas is not Zubis but the double standards used.

Which double standards are you blabbering about when I told that Keirrison and Henrique were one of the few bad purchases during the era of Txiki? I never said that Txiki was not responsible for those purchases. So once again are you twisting the words of those you debate with as often happens or are you talking about another user here?

I also wrote 1-2 times that a sporting director is not acting on his own behalf either but that he has a big say mostly which is true.

You are obviously not reading what I am actually writing but only what you want me to write.

 

[Flavia]

I dont think his point is that Douglas is not Zubis but the double standards used.

He asked how clearly was douglas zubi's signing. Many think douglas was just a laundry-money job. It can even be, but it'd just make it worse, as zubi's team was involved in bringing him.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Few bad purchases?

I bet if you compare the number of bad purchases and money spent then Txikis time dwarfs the past 5 years.

Yes, sure and Zubi was better than Txiki and Moggi combined.

 

[KingMessi]

I dont think his point is that Douglas is not Zubis but the double standards used.

This was what I'm trying to get at. If you give the DOF credit for signings, then fine. But you should give both DOFs credit/responsibility for ALL signings. In reality, it's not like that. It's a joint effort between the DOF, scouts, coaching team, club president, and the negotiation teams.

 

[Flavia]

This was what I'm trying to get at. If you give the DOF credit for signings, then fine. But you should give both DOFs credit/responsibility for ALL signings. In reality, it's not like that. It's a joint effort between the DOF, scouts, coaching team, club president, and the negotiation teams.

That's not how it works. They aren't all involved in all signings. In douglas and vermaelen cases, Barto and LE trusted Zubi's opinion. As Tito trusted zubi's judgment on Song being capable of playing cb.

 

[JamDav1982]

Which double standards are you blabbering about when I told that Keirrison and Henrique were one of the few bad purchases during the era of Txiki? I never said that Txiki was not responsible for those purchases. So once again are you twisting the words of those you debate with as often happens or are you talking about another user here?

I also wrote 1-2 times that a sporting director is not acting on his own behalf either but that he has a big say mostly which is true.

You are obviously not reading what I am actually writing but only what you want me to write.

Double standards that you give Txiki credit for players the manager asked for but not Lucho.

Again whats the difference between Pep asking for Pique, Keita or Alves than Lucho asking for Raktic?

Those are the rules you seem to be applying.

 

[KingMessi]

That's not how it works. They aren't all involved in all signings. In douglas and vermaelen cases, Barto and LE trusted Zubi's opinion. As Tito trusted zubi's judgment on Song being capable of playing cb.

That's not the point though. Zubi fucked up. He fucked up a lot. Song, Vermaelen, Mathieu (at double price 1 season later), Douglas, etc. However, can we not even give an inkling of credit to him for what he got right this summer? Sure it doesn't redeem him, but we should acknowledge that he did some things right with signing Rakitic/Suarez/TS, no?

 

[JamDav1982]

That's not how it works. They aren't all involved in all signings. In douglas and vermaelen cases, Barto and LE trusted Zubi's opinion. As Tito trusted zubi's judgment on Song being capable of playing cb.

No one knows how much Lucho just trusted the word of Zubi though.

He didnt with Ter Stegen as No.1 or Kroos so Lucho didnt just go with Zubi blindly from what it appears.

 

[NotInHere]

lol whoever was responsible for the douglas and vermaelen signings should be fired asap

 

[JamDav1982]

lol whoever was responsible for the douglas and vermaelen signings should be fired asap

He has been.

 

[Flavia]

That's not the point though. Zubi fucked up. He fucked up a lot. Song, Vermaelen, Mathieu (at double price 1 season later), Douglas, etc. However, can we not even give an inkling of credit to him for what he got right this summer? Sure it doesn't redeem him, but we should acknowledge that he did some things right with signing Rakitic/Suarez/TS, no?

I gave him plenty of recognition for MAtS. Posted that today more than once. He still should had done a much better job with the amount of money he had, concerning the cb and rb he brought in.

The board don't want to renew alves; they also think cuadrado costs too much. Zubi's solution: douglas.

And I don't even know why he went for Vermaelen, and signed him against the medical team.

Not to mention his failure to bring a CB for years. Zubi was the worst sporting director we had in a long time. What Txiki done right or wrong is irrelevant for this.

Rakitic, Suarez and Neymar weren't due to zubi's work, that's why I don't give him credit for it. He was never the one heading negotiations.