Barcilliant
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Gomes has potential but I don't know if he's a good fit for us.
Chelsea, Juventus and AM look better suited to his style.
Chelsea, Juventus and AM look better suited to his style.
André Gomes
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FlaFCB
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No gk? There's 11 players there. And masch is injured.
God Serena
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Mats has been stepping it up lately but it's not enough. Better to just go without him I guess.
🤔 Even with 12 on the pitch, I still have serious doubts about this teams ability to control the midfield.
serghei
Senior Member
You sound like as if you were his agent or a close relative...
- If someone is capable of precise long range passes, that's one part of the armory of a good average player. The problem starts if he can't pass but only to 5 meters and only if there's nobody close by. In Barca it is demanded to do much more than uninteresting passes.
- The "first touch" is what makes a player individually creative, skillful and so it has little to do with confidence.
- You mention: adapting, confidence, learning, next season, etc. possibilities that a Barca category team simply can't afford while playing and at the same time having mixed results.
- A "Barca material" player is like Umtiti, who doesn't need more confidence, adaptation, first touch, etc. because with him all these just seem to work, without the good old list of the pedagogical hopes.
Many players are pursued or watched by those rich and important teams, but when the press starts to combine one of them with this or that team, it often means they just play a game with names, mainly to misguide the other teams and also to push or gas prices up...
You think that an average player can have a 97% successful passes percentage against the teams in CL? I do not. He has the highest completed passes percentage out of all Barca players, higher than Busi for example. Nobody talks about that, because it doesn't fit the agenda of Gomes being shit.
You think that being one of the best players of Valencia, including in numerous games against Barcelona and Madrid before we signed him is the mark of an average player? I do not. There are highlights of Gomes in the game Valencia lost on Cap Nou 0-2 but dominated clearly for example, and he was a full on beast. Dribbling, passing, and in that game he had a magnific first touch. So it is not a matter of technique, it's a matter of confidence. And confidence can grow as the player settles more in the new team.
I remember the games we played against Valencia in 2014-15. 1-0 win in Mestalla, 2-0 win at home. Lucky as fuck in both, with Bravo MotM each time. Gomes was impressive in both. I remember also the games Valencia played against Madrid, 2-1 in Mestalla, 2-2 in Bernabeu. Gomes, great in both. How come an average player is instrumental in his team dominating the likes of Barcelona and Madrid? Even scored an absolute golazo against Madrid last season. It doesn't add up.
You think that a young player will right away play to the best of his abilities when he signs for a team like Barcelona? I do not. Everyone likes Umtiti, I do too, but even Umtiti has some things in his game that need fixing, and he will fix them with time.
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Vilarrubi
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I'm sorry but bringing this stat up is ridiculous, he may have a great passing percentage, but generally brings NOTHING at all to our attack.
I'd much rather have a player with 85% passing who takes those risks and tries to play the ball forward.
serghei
Senior Member
How does he bring nothing when we scored our only goal vs Atletico after he dribbled a player and played Messi in space? Even Ray Hudson, who I don't really fancy, gave him credit for that.
Our midfielder aren't required to take risks, but to feed MSN with good, usable balls. He is starting to do that, and he did that the most from our all midfielders against Atletico. And he did take some risk vs Atletico too, when he humiliated 2 of Atletico's players with that amazing dribble and played Arda Turan in space.
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Ghostmaster
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And that needs to change, we had Xavi, Iniesta, Yaya, Thiago, Fabregas or Alves creating chances for front three in the past and now Messi has to do everything alone.
Potroh
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Frankly I try to watch a game or a particular player myself and avoid statistics.
After having Gomes more than a dozen times in the team, I guess with the (limited) experience I have I can judge a player's qualities, even if he is able to complete a good number of passes in the field, which in itself means very little.
Yes I think that a player either fits almost automatically or he will probably never fit.
Potroh
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I agree. The only problem is that it was his sole nice move in a dozen games. Not enough...
serghei
Senior Member
Until the tactics change, it is unreasonable to blame players for not doing something that the roles they play in don't allow them to do. Iniesta and Busquets themselves are way less creative than in the past, because MSN have taken over their role, especially Messi and Neymar, who are the main creators of the team by far. Neymar is even more of a playmaker than scorer now.
I'm not conviced we need to try to play like when we had those players you named, because those players are not here anymore, and there is no one like them available for us to sign.
Except it wasn't. It wasn't even his only great move in the Atletico game, let alone 'dozen' games as you say. I agree that his current level is not enough, but the potential to grow is there in abundance. To the point that for me it's not at all a surprise if he plays great football later in the season. Next season we'll have a clearer picture. So far he is a good player, with mixed to disappointing performances and great potential.
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Potroh
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If Iniesta or Busquets could be depicted as less creative nowadays, it's mainly due to their age, form and the known injuries.
But I do hope you are not serious when you try to compare their overall creativity with that of Gomes, because the difference can only be expressed in light-years.
Neither time nor practice will ever make a player creative or unpredictable, if he wasn't born with those needed qualities.
Vilarrubi
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Wow, can't believe you actually think that. Our midfield is completely dysfunctional at the moment.
97% passing i'd accept from Busquets.. but from a centre midfielder it's wrong. If our whole midfield did that it would be completely impotent going forward which it nearly is now.. Thank god we have Iniesta.
Gomes has played 28 games this season for Barca and you think because he made a couple of good passes forward in the Atletico game he's a good fit. Atletico were chasing the game and leaving gaps too. In the games where the opponent has parked the bus he's showed absolutely nothing going forward.. it's so plain to see, how can you not see it.
serghei
Senior Member
It's mainly tactical, for both Busi, and Iniesta, especially Busquets. Their tactical role in the team has changed, and are a lot of articles on-line about that. Gomes is both creative, and unpredictable. Not on the level of Busi and Iniesta (never claimed that he is), but he has the ability to be a great player on his own right. You don't see it, I do. This whole talk can be cut down to that.
You think he is an average player, I think he is a good player with the potential to be a great one. Let's see who is right. Lucho seems to see it too, because he is giving Gomes plenty of playing time as a starter, including against Real Madrid, Atletico, and Manchester City.
You seem to be in complete denial that today's Barcelona is a lot different than Pep's Barcelona. The tactical roles of our midfielders HAVE CHANGED.
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