André Gomes

[DonAK]

He's gotten a lot of chances and the full trust of Lucho. We can't go around dwindling forever and wait for Gomes, Denis and everyone else to show that they can become very good CMs or AMs.

It's true that all our midfielders have struggled, but even among all of them, Gomes is the one that has showed the least. His best performance have come at the CDM position where Roberto will slot back to cover for Busquets next season.

Iniesta will turn 33 soon. Rakitic is 29. Busquets is 29.

Denis, Gomes, Rafinha and Arda have all showed that they are neither CMs or AMs. It's brutal, but managers and players will come and go, but the club, Barcelona will remain 10-15-20 years on and more from now. If there are opportunities on the market, with players who actually are proper center midfielders or attacking midfielders, then the club should go for it. The amount of money we've spent on players that haven't suited us or missed out on players that are, is shocking. Just compare our midfield talents with other teams. Even Atletico are better equipped with younger midfielders in Koke and Saul. Atletico Madrid!

Gomes could have worked and I thought he would as Lucho hinted towards changing the system to become even more direct, even more counter-attacking to make MSN more deadly and with space, I thought a B2B MF like Gomes could do well, but Lucho most likely dropped that idea as it would have been too radical for most people and take the play towards the other end of spectrum of its identity. He probably didn't want to face that backlash.

Need to focus on La Masia too, but the closest one who may or may not succeed is Alena, and he's having his first full season with Barca B, so we have to just wait and see there.

 

[snowy]

What's the point of transfer windows anyways? I'm thinking the scene in Moneyball where Billy just picks up the phone and negotiates the transfer of the short Giambi dude at the flick of a switch. Just seems more fluid

 

[DonAK]

Pretty sure the MLB have a free agency window like the NFL and NBA, along with the draft. And a trade window I guess.

Every club can also sign outside of the transfer windows, as long as it's a player not on a contract, a free agent.

 

[snowy]

Naive me, I thought they could trade players anytime they wanted but you're right, all leagues abide by trade deadlines to maintain competitive balance for one thing. Movie made it seem so simple though. I'll read the book next.
Maybe it's just an impression again but scouting system on that side of the pound sure seems way more thorough than in soccer...

 

[DonAK]

I'm going to talk outta my ass now, but I think the scouting side of baseball is perhaps less complicated. Statistics in baseball from my limited knowledge seem to play a significant role in judging a player and someone's progress. Stats-driven which Moneyball touch upon.

In football, you have to see what the player brings yourself. You cannot watch highlight videos or go to whoscored.com or squawka. Football is a far more multi-faceted sport determined by very many factors, for the lack of better words.

In baseball terms, Ozil or Cesc might be better than Iniesta, but if any sane guy ever watched these three, he would know that Iniesta is one of the greatest midfielders of all-time while Ozil and Cesc won't even end top 30 or top 50.

 

[Vilarrubi]

How can people say give Gomes another chance but want Arda out?

Arda was brought in as a squad player never anything more and had some okay performances especially at LW.

Gomes has been tried as a starting player and shown absolutely nothing in any of the games he's played in for us.


I do agree Arda was too expensive and not a good fit for Barca, but this also applies for Gomes and it's much more serious because he's been playing the important games.


Gomes has only played 900 less minutes in total than Arda has for us.. so enough of this "give him a chance" and "he might fit a new system".

From a footballing point of view he HAS to go at the end of the season. But I think something behind the scenes will stop that from happening.

 

[El Barcelona]

Please sell this guy! He just doesn't fit. I have always the feeling that when he's on the field, we're playing with 10 men.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Mendes would surely find him a team, if the new coach says he won't count on him. It's about being proactive for once.

Being proactive is one thing,being desperate is another. That is why I don't agree with Ibra example you made.though I agree with your points .

But Mendes will pocket the money himself. We'll end up with scraps as always.

To do that he need to get as the highest fees
Agents get a portion of the transfer deal from either/both the seller/buyer. In many deals they are appointed by selling clubs to negotiate the deal and sometimes even appointed to negotiate deals on behalf a club for a player that he doesn't represent.
The cheaper the Gomes get sold the less the money he gets,no way around it for him.
Unless his player decide to go to a certain club and instruct him to force such deal(Like Ibra) agents will always push for the highest price.
This is one of Mendes main strength and why he is so popular between both clubs and players,his connections and ability to move players once the club/player agree to it make it easier for everyone. He provides a good safety net

 

[Devils]

Both of them have to go.

Arda is inconsistent as hell but at least for all of his garbage he at least has some decent performances to his name. Not enough to merit staying here though.

Gomes is just whack. Probably the only player in all of the top European clubs that actually hurts the team without adding a single positive thing to it. Every time Gomes plays it's like playing with a man down.

I'd sell both in an instant. But If I were to keep one I'd keep lazy-ass Arda because he can actually bring something positive to the team.

 

[DonAK]

Mendes has many contacts. He might move Andre to someone he knows for a good fee. Wouldn't be too shocked to see him go to Monaco suddenly for 30m. In fact, I'd do an exchange. 30m + Gomes for Bernardo Silva.

Monaco owner, Rybolovlev, Mendes and Peter Lim have some shady stuff going on so it's not impossible that such a deal could work.

 

[Potroh]

Gomes has only played 900 less minutes in total than Arda has for us.. so enough of this "give him a chance" and "he might fit a new system".
From a footballing point of view he HAS to go at the end of the season. But I think something behind the scenes will stop that from happening.

Agreed, I also fear that neither of them will finally leave... specially if Unzue gets the post, because that would mean no changes whatsoever.
But for just one tiny second back to the minutes he played, I still don't understand the minutes to be counted and drawing meaningful conclusions out of them.
The max number of games - I'd insist - would be THREE to be seen, and a connoisseur with sharp eyes could IMMEDIATELY tell that these type of players have no room in this team. But giving season after season just hoping that a miracle happens? That sounds crazy and shows great incompetence...

 

[FlaFCB]

Being proactive is one thing,being desperate is another. That is why I don't agree with Ibra example you made.though I agree with your points .

Ibra was a high profile player who was a bad fit. They bought Villa and sold him. That's what needs to happens with André.

And he was even better than Gomes, overall. At least had that crucial goal vs rm.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

How can people say give Gomes another chance but want Arda out?

Arda was brought in as a squad player never anything more and had some okay performances especially at LW.

Gomes has been tried as a starting player and shown absolutely nothing in any of the games he's played in for us.


I do agree Arda was too expensive and not a good fit for Barca, but this also applies for Gomes and it's much more serious because he's been playing the important games.


Gomes has only played 900 less minutes in total than Arda has for us.. so enough of this "give him a chance" and "he might fit a new system".

From a footballing point of view he HAS to go at the end of the season. But I think something behind the scenes will stop that from happening.

Reducing it to "he had enough chances now" is to easy for me. You can't compare Arda to Gomes. Arda was 28 (?) when he came to Barça, an experienced player signed in order to help the team.

With Gomes it is different. He was 22 when he joined Barça and far away from being a "premade" player like Arda was. If you ask me Lucho is not that kind of coach that is qualified to develop players. Look at the players we signed in our first 2 seasons:
Suárez
MAthieu
Vermaelen
Rakitic
Bravo
ter Stegen
Turan
Vidal
- Munir

Apart from Munir, who got promoted from the B-team, all of them were "developed" players. You don't have to tell Suárez how to score. He knows his job. So do Rakitic and Mathieu. Vidal struggled for a long time till he showed promising performances this season.

This summer was different. Barça signed many "young" talented players:
Denis
Umtiti
Paco
Gomes
Digne

Apart from Umtiti, who is pure class on his position, all of them struggle to find their spot. Is this because they don't fit our style (where we have to ask if the sporting director and Lucho did a good job) or is it because they lost direction because they don't get the instructions they desperately need. Just saying they are not good enough for Barça is to easy for me. Denis, Paco and Gomes showed some promising performances in their teams last season.

If you ask me, Lucho is not a coach that helps players to become better. He can't cultivate young players. That's why we bought experienced players. That's why our latest signings struggle to settle. That's why La Masia is not a part of first team squad anymore. To say it is not part of the board's plans is to easy. Look at the players Pep gave chances in the first team. Busquets was not expected to become one of the best in the world when he played in the B-team. Under Peps guidance he displaced fucking Yaya Toure. Pep had the balls to start Tello in El Clasico. Even when we had problems with injuries Lucho failed to give young talents a chance.

A new coach could mean a new chance for all of the players who failed to exploit their full potential. A coach that puts players into their best positions and helps them to become a better player overall by providing them with helpful hints and a clear idea of his system, positioning etc. Paco, Denis and Gomes run around like headless chicken, that's why I think they lack of guidance from our coaching staff.

 

[FlaFCB]

Apart from Umtiti, who is pure class on his position, all of them struggle to find their spot. Is this because they don't fit our style (where we have to ask if the sporting director and Lucho did a good job) or is it because they lost direction because they don't get the instructions they desperately need. Just saying they are not good enough for Barça is to easy for me. Denis, Paco and Gomes showed some promising performances in their teams last season.

If you ask me, Lucho is not a coach that helps players to become better. He can't cultivate young players. That's why we bought experienced players. That's why our latest signings struggle to settle. That's why La Masia is not a part of first team squad anymore. To say it is not part of the board's plans is to easy. Look at the players Pep gave chances in the first team. Busquets was not expected to become one of the best in the world when he played in the B-team. Under Peps guidance he displaced fucking Yaya Toure. Pep had the balls to start Tello in El Clasico. Even when we had problems with injuries Lucho failed to give young talents a chance.

A new coach could mean a new chance for all of the players who failed to exploit their full potential. A coach that puts players into their best positions and helps them to become a better player overall by providing them with helpful hints and a clear idea of his system, positioning etc. Paco, Denis and Gomes run around like headless chicken, that's why I think they lack of guidance from our coaching staff.

Denis has shown a lot more, even with a lot less playing time than Gomes. Gomes is young, but he won't able to become something he's not. A new coach won't be able make him faster, or good on tight spaces, for example.

And Busquets showed his qualities from day one. He didn't need 2 full seasons, or cost 35m euros. Really bad comparison to make. Gomes was bad scouting, and/or Lucho believing he could be something he's not.

 

[Jombi]

Paco and Gomes were nothing special at all in Valencia. Why do people constantly claim they were so good? They werent.

Umtiti was a class player and anyone who watched him in Lyon could see that, so its not surprising he would be a great purchase.