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I don't think he's a sloppy passer. 81.2% pass accuracy for him last season.
André Gomes
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Luftstalag14
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Compared to most of our players and other good midfielders that is quite low, honestly. His long passes are actually pretty accurate, it is his short passes that need more work to be done on.
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Flavia
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It's not that low. It's on par with Messi's. And he'll improve that now, training with the best.
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Luftstalag14
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Well, Messi's play is much riskier though, I'd argue.
Yeah, I hope he can improve, like I said time is on his side. Maybe one day he can be our Kroos?
khaled_a_d
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The grass isn't always greener on the other side,people should always remember this.
You can have a lot of doubts about our own La Masia players and how they might end just being squad players, you are probably right.but then again that doesn't mean the young player we are signing is better just because they looked good in inferior teams.
Denis Suarez looked like a player a PL club would have splashed 30-40M if they we didn't have a buyback option while playing with a team that last year was vastly superior than Valencia
Rafinha was La Liga young player of the year while playing in Celta.he was just 20 that year.
Just because Andre was good with Valencia,doesn't mean he is gonna be good here.you know that and for that that is the doubt about the deal.How good our own young lads isn't a reason to say this is a good or bad deal.it is how good Andre himself.
He is a jack of all trades master of non for me,he is overall good passer but he won't break defenses with his passing,he isn't slow but not quick either,he can make little dribble to keep the ball but not to break tight defenses like Iniesta can.He is good but not gr8 shooter.The list goes on.In other words he is good who can be gr8 but not anywhere there right now.
As for your previous post,yes old Tiki-Taka is almost gone.but Rijkaard barca (as much as I loved it) won't get you past CL quarter finals this days without RM type of luck.
Right now we have two very strong players in midfield with Busquets & Rakitic. adding a 3rd one in Gomes won't improve that midfield. yeah he will look good for rotation but are we possibly paying 50M for a rotation player? Or for the future replacement of Iniesta?
Because right now if Iniesta is injured a midfield of Busquets/Rakitic/Gomes is a downgrade.I might actually prefer Denis in such line up and I am convinced he is more of LW.
He has the potential to be gr8,but potential isn't something I would pay 35-50M for.Not for a player of that level,may be for a Neymar/Martial type of potential but not Andre.Neither I would say it is the best option to pay such money for a 3rd option for our 2 Man CM's.He is a player who can start for half of big teams in Europe,but we aren't just a big team.
If he proves he can be future Iniesta replacement he is a bargain.if not we got ourself a good player on the bench that will be sold with a good value in a few years but it will also mean we will waste good time in the chase of Iniesta replacement
PS:In what universe is Gio and Belletti short FBs?
BBZ8800
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Midfielders were short.
These two were too attacking too often. Especially Belletti, that's what I wanted to say.
We added muscles, plus more defensive players, not playing all out attack like we often do.
About grass, well it isn't always greener on the other side.
But, Andre was a starter in a team which just won Euros. We will say that they won it by luck, because we hate CR7, but...
So, an NT starter of a winning team.
Denis, Rafinha, Samper, Roberto, far from starters in NT winning team.
Also, Real wanted Andre as Modric's successor.
Rafinha, Denis, Roberto, they are far from new Modrics and Xavis, even for Barcaforum posters.
Also, I don't think that Real or big team are looking for Rafinha/Roberto/Denis, even if they would be available, if you get what I am trying to say.
I don't mean to talk bad about our La Masia midfielders now.
The way how I see it, for a person outside of Barcaforum, who is less biased, Andre Gomes looks like a player who could be the next Modric or something like that.
For majority of neutral fans, Rafinha, Denis and Roberto are far from new Modrics or Xavis in their potential.
It doesn't mean that Andre can't fail miserably or that Denis can't turn into a best midfielder which we ever had.
But imo, the way how I see it and some neutral football fans with whom I talked (not Barca or Real fans), they think that Andre is a few levels above our other young midfielders, and that he has way higher ceiling.
More or less, I think that the board thinks the same.
Because we surely wouldn't pay 35-50M for a guy if we were already stacked with insane talents on the same position (in whom the board has huge faith) and since a new guy will steal minutes from our young players and slightly ruin their development.
Also, we have a lot of possession.
Our Cbs can have passing accuracy 80% or higher easily, while they'll play only simple shortpasses to Busi and fullbacks.
Xavi at Barca and Xavi at Valencia.
He would be world class in both teams, but he would surely have a lower amount of passing accuracy in Valencia due to their overall weaker possession, their style of play and due to a quality and movement of his teammates in each team.
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khaled_a_d
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Except he isn't. He played 66 minutes out of 450 minutes in the play-offs.That isn't a starter for me.
And No,Denis is fairly comparable by many neutrals last year. I've seen fans wanting him more than Andre last year.
Andre isn't even comparable to Modric in any aspect.not his level even at at same age nor his style or role.
RM wanted him to give their midfield a different aspect as they lack a physical strong midfielder (unlike us as we have both Busquets & Rakitic)
Same board has paid same money for Arda.
Look,I don't want to hate on the guy since I actually like him as a player.but right now he isn't Barca starting level by any mean. Whether he is better or not than Denis or the others is irrelevant.Those guys we already have and if they ended being just squad players it is still gr8 to have them since we basically got them for free or bargain deals.
But if Andre ended up being a bench player then money & time have been wasted.Just like we did with Cesc
Cesc was superior than Thiago,and overall throughout his career he was always the better player.but getting him wasted our time and postponed getting a real replacement for Xavi while also we allowed Thiago to leave with less than his market value.
Will Andre make the squad better next year?yes he is gr8 piece to have on the depth.
Is he good overall player?yes.
But is he a player I can see turning into Barca starting midfielder in the next couple of seasons? I would say the chances of that happening is around 30%.
For that the deal could end bad and I think it is a big risk that we will need to wait b4 making a judge.How good or bad our other young midfielders doesn't really affect that.
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