barely played? he played way to much
edit: sorry you are talking about arda not andre
André Gomes
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barely played? he played way to much
edit: sorry you are talking about arda not andre
behindbrowneyes
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Clásico, Camp Nou, Barça is 1-0 up and there are only few minutes left. Barça had the game under control as Iniesta came back after an injury. Arda came in to add experience and stability in mid. Instead of it he showed that he has no discipline and did a stupid foul in a dead zone with Real having Kroos and Ramos for dangerous set pieces and freekicks. We lost 2 points and Real won 1 in this moment.
What is more, if it wasn't for Stegen Arda even would've fucked up La Remontada.
FinBarcelonafan
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Bingo. He seems to fuck up every time in crucial moment.
Pepe Silvia
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Hes too rigid in close quarters. His explosive speed and physicality was not suited to our style under Lucho. The most troubling thing for me aside from his lead feet is his attitude. Could use some more passion- would really help people here understand that he wants to be here and rally behind him.
Still does not make him responsible for loosing the title. Why are you ignoring other lost games?
God Serena
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Because even with those lost games that single, individual moment of stupidity is something that, had it not happened, we would have won the league.
The entire team has moments where they fall short every season. When's the last time we went undefeated in a season? Right. We could point to Alaves or Malaga as losses that costed us and they most certainly are, but losing those specific points in that specific game were due to the actions of a single player, and it wasn't a "Oh I missed the ball" or a "Oh I couldn't mark my man", or any other football related mistake, it was sheer, dumb stupidity, and that moment of stupidity was exactly equal to how many points we would have needed to win the league. And as brownyboy said, he almost ruined the comeback vs PSG as well.
Imo if you seriously don't want to put any blame on the turk for costing us the league by blowing a key opportunity to take essentially six points from our biggest rival, you're delusional.
And if we had won one of Deportivo/Alaves/Malaga games, Ardas fuck up wouldnt have mattered. Same shit. FYI the league is not won or lost in a single game.
I am not saying he isnt to blame, what i am saying is that he is not THE reason we lost the title. If you put all the blame on him, you are the one that is delusional.
God Serena
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We finished the league with 90 points. That's 1 less than what we had last season. As I said, the *team* losing is nothing new or unheard of. There will always be stumbles. Always. And sometimes it's against teams you shouldn't lose to. It is what it is. Given the normal amount of wiggle room that a league format allows in the win/loss department, even losing the games we did should not have stopped us from winning the league. Without Arda as an individual player fucking up that clasico we would have won the league. Simple as that, really. He was fresh, had no reason to foul, was specifically instructed NOT to foul in that situation, and fouled anyway. And then we lost the league.
A player fucking up is not something unheard of either, it also happens sometimes.
And if our team managed to win atleast one game vs Alaves/Betis/Malaga/freakin Deportivo etc Ardas fuck up matters 0. Just as simple. We didnt mess up vs a weak time just once, but several times.
Yes, he was fresh, there was no need to foul at all but that situation is not what cost us the league title. It is a combination between Ardas fuck up, loosing to a third tier team like Deportivo, not winning Alaves at home, drawing with Betis etc etc etc. The league is not won or lost in a single game, it is won or lost throughout the season. The result is a combination of winning, loosing, consistency etc. and not by a single fuck up or a single win.
He sure does deserve a whole lot of blame but he is not the sole reason of loosing.
God Serena
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Statistically we were better than we were last season if you count points won. Arda's idiocy is the difference. Simple as that. If you take him into last season with all our wins and losses, and have him make the same mistake, we lose the league then, too.
evilhita666
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But the same can be said about Neymar or Suárez missing sitters (even in that very same game where Arda failed) or any other individual failure for that matter... Almost every single player in the squad had a horrible moment like that in the season, which could be singled out as the key factor in the team's defeats and draws... We still had like 20 or more games to go since Arda screwed up, it's not like he did it in a knockout round of CL (he did try, though, hahaha)...
Arda was an absolute let down and his stay here was definitely a failure, but he can't really be blamed for the whole season, especially since he barely played since january or february in a competition where consistency is king...
God Serena
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Neymar and Suarez always miss sitters. They could have missed 1,000 of them and we'd have still won without Arda committing that crucial, season defining foul that ultimately was the difference between winning the league, and letting those bastards win.
I don't blame him for the whole season. But the fact that him being the cause of us losing the league is even an argument is argument enough that he costed us pretty big time. Even when it happened there were still people trying to defend him. Oh, how I miss the Arda brigade
evilhita666
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Neymar and Suarez always miss sitters. They could have missed 1,000 of them and we'd have still won without Arda committing that crucial, season defining foul that ultimately was the difference between winning the league, and letting those bastards win.
I don't blame him for the whole season. But the fact that him being the cause of us losing the league is even an argument is argument enough that he costed us pretty big time. Even when it happened there were still people trying to defend him. Oh, how I miss the Arda brigade
The question is why is it so season defining over any other mistake that costed us points? As Guaje said, had the rest of the team made their homework his mistake would be just an anecdote... The same way you say that if Arda hadn't committed that foul we would have won, I could say that if Neymar or Suárez had scored we would have won despite Arda committing 1000 fouls...
I'm not defending Arda, just saying that losing the league was a collective mistake that can't be pin pointed on a single foul from a particular player...
behindbrowneyes
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Sure, there were other crucial moments where we can talk about losing La Liga. Still, there is a difference in fucking up a game vs. Alaves/Celta compared to one vs your direct rival. If you lose 4-3 in Vigo, you don't get a point. If you draw vs your direct rival, you get a point, but this point doesn't mean anything. To conclude: You get a point that is pointless.
Arda took those 3 points away from us and literally handed them to Real. Instead of +6 we had a +3 balance, although getting 4 points out of this years Clásicos.
springfield
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Still, you are exaggerating. Blaming one fault for losing the league title. Be serious man, Arda was not the main reason at all for a failing season. Real Madrid lost from Barcelona and they still won the league. The fact that you think those points were so important just proves that Barca had a terrible season and that they needed to win both games to take away as much as possible points from RM directly.
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