alexjanosik
The Game
That's cool, alexjanosik.
He is in mine and in IC's one. 2 against 1. So Iniesta is in the top 5.
I would like to know your ranking of the top 5 midfielders in the world.
Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
not only attack minded i presume?
Xavi and Iniesta, clearly. Every club in Europe wants them.
Lassana Diarra. He is a bit of a dirty player but he is incredible. He is the one that is responsible for madrid's record, not Ramos in my opinion.
Then I would go for Lampard rather than Gerrard cause he annoyes me extremely with his diving actions contradicting his words.
And then one place left which i cannot fill in right now. Maybe Carrick, he's underrated. But I cannot see a world class midfielder in other English teams or Italy (maybe nedved but he is over his peek as far as i know). In germany I would go for Diego
My favourite midfield would be Xavi, Iniesta and Lassana.
subs: Diego, Lampard, Carrick.
Xavi and Iniesta, clearly. Every club in Europe wants them.
Lassana Diarra. He is a bit of a dirty player but he is incredible. He is the one that is responsible for madrid's record, not Ramos in my opinion.
Then I would go for Lampard rather than Gerrard cause he annoyes me extremely with his diving actions contradicting his words.
And then one place left which i cannot fill in right now. Maybe Carrick, he's underrated. But I cannot see a world class midfielder in other English teams or Italy (maybe nedved but he is over his peek as far as i know). In germany I would go for Diego
My favourite midfield would be Xavi, Iniesta and Lassana.
subs: Diego, Lampard, Carrick.
alexjanosik
The Game
Lampard hasnt been his usual self.He has scored around 15 goals this season(he tends to score around 20 per season) which is a terrific return for a midfielder.He tends to score important goals like in the qurterfinal against Liverpool.He has also assisted many goals.
So Lampard should definitely be above Iniesta.
Xavi should also be above Iniesta(tons more assists and more goals,also invaluable to the team).
I know most of you will come up with it is not just about the assists and goals.But the sheer numbers that Xavi has posted this season dont lie.
Then there is Cambiasso who is the best DM in the world and an absolute rock.Another DM who would make the top 5 is Lassana Diarra.
Again no explanations needed there.He has been a giant and the main reason Madrid have been able to claw their way back into the title race.
Then there is Alonso.He has been incredible this season and one of the main reasons for Liverpool mounting a serious challenge for the title.Then there is Gerrard although it could be argued that he plays SS.I have put down Gerrard as AM/free role.
Gerrard has been phenominal this year.Again his numbers dont lie.
Then there is Kaka(same as Gerrard)
I could name atleast two more midfielders who are better than Iniesta but its enough.
My ranking would be Xavi,Lampard,Gerrard,Cambiasso,Diarra,Alonso in that order.
Please explain to me why Iniesta is better than any of the above.
And dont come back with the standard Iniesta offers more than just goals and assists.
So Lampard should definitely be above Iniesta.
Xavi should also be above Iniesta(tons more assists and more goals,also invaluable to the team).
I know most of you will come up with it is not just about the assists and goals.But the sheer numbers that Xavi has posted this season dont lie.
Then there is Cambiasso who is the best DM in the world and an absolute rock.Another DM who would make the top 5 is Lassana Diarra.
Again no explanations needed there.He has been a giant and the main reason Madrid have been able to claw their way back into the title race.
Then there is Alonso.He has been incredible this season and one of the main reasons for Liverpool mounting a serious challenge for the title.Then there is Gerrard although it could be argued that he plays SS.I have put down Gerrard as AM/free role.
Gerrard has been phenominal this year.Again his numbers dont lie.
Then there is Kaka(same as Gerrard)
I could name atleast two more midfielders who are better than Iniesta but its enough.
My ranking would be Xavi,Lampard,Gerrard,Cambiasso,Diarra,Alonso in that order.
Please explain to me why Iniesta is better than any of the above.
And dont come back with the standard Iniesta offers more than just goals and assists.
alexjanosik
The Game
You guys actually think Iniesta is the best midfielder in Europe,ahead of the likes of Gerrard,Lampard,Xavi etc.
Please give arguments as to why you think Iniesta is better than Gerrard or Lampard.
Please give arguments as to why you think Iniesta is better than Gerrard or Lampard.
Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
See, 3 of our 5 (Xavi, Lamp, Lassana) are the same.
I don't see your arguments either.
alonso for instance: "He has been incredible this season and one of the main reasons for Liverpool mounting a serious challenge for the title"
I can use the same sentence for Iniesta the last month.
I don't see your arguments either.
alonso for instance: "He has been incredible this season and one of the main reasons for Liverpool mounting a serious challenge for the title"
I can use the same sentence for Iniesta the last month.
alexjanosik
The Game
You mentioned Diarra in your list.Cambiasso is better than Diarra.He has been immense this season.He seems slow on the football pitch but always seems to be the first to reach a loose ball.He has also filled in at central defense for inter this season.
Inter's best player after Ibra.
I didnt explain Alonso's case very well.I watch both Iniesta and Alonso play weekly and I just think that he has been more important for Liverpool than Iniesta for us.
3 of our picks are the same but you didnt explain why you picked Iniesta ahead of Lampard and Gerrard.
They deserve to be included for the sheer numbers they have produced(in goals and assists).
The thing with Iniesta is he dribbles the ball from central midfield,takes the ball past 3 players,gets fouled on the edge of the box and wins us a freekick.And to what effect?
From the ensuing freekick Dani Alves blasts the ball into the wall.
This happens atleast 2,3 times a game.
That is why I think Iniesta has underachieved this season.
Not enough end product for all hsi dazzling footwork.
Again numbers dont lie.
Inter's best player after Ibra.
I didnt explain Alonso's case very well.I watch both Iniesta and Alonso play weekly and I just think that he has been more important for Liverpool than Iniesta for us.
3 of our picks are the same but you didnt explain why you picked Iniesta ahead of Lampard and Gerrard.
They deserve to be included for the sheer numbers they have produced(in goals and assists).
The thing with Iniesta is he dribbles the ball from central midfield,takes the ball past 3 players,gets fouled on the edge of the box and wins us a freekick.And to what effect?
From the ensuing freekick Dani Alves blasts the ball into the wall.
This happens atleast 2,3 times a game.
That is why I think Iniesta has underachieved this season.
Not enough end product for all hsi dazzling footwork.
Again numbers dont lie.
X.A.U
The Special One
alex, if you base your arguments on numbers (i.e goals), then you don't have an argument with Eto'o since he is leading scorer in La liga. I see it as double standard that you use the argument (numbers don't lie). Also, for you Cambiasso is one of the best! He is good but not good enough to be featured above Masch in NT, and no it's by popular demand, not only Maradona's personal choice.
Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
Again, i don't see the arguments in your case about Alonso or Cambiasso that you expect from me. You just say: "he is the best player, he is incredible for his team. He is more important than Iniesta."
That's it. I don't see numbers that don't lie? I don't see arguments. You say he is important and incredible. And you also say we can't do that for Iniesta. Bit sucky, no?
Even bloody thierry14Henry puts up a better case for Ronaldo. You are the one that is complaining about the discussions on this forum but you don't make an effort yourself.
Iniesta?
- he can keep possession
- he can create danger with his dribbles
- he can create a chance for someone else with his immense passing
- he has that great accelaration while his ball is glued to his feet which can switch the game from our own box to the other box in a few seconds without losing possession
- he gets fouled numerous times in a game (that there is no end product is not his fault, so don't blame him. free kick is in se always dangerous)
- he works and runs for the team in a way that few attack minded midfielders would do
- his inspired football motivates and inspires the team
- he has a decent (i don't say perfect or very good) shot but he is just unlucky in his finish (he hit the post several times this season) Let's say he is capable of delivering dangerous shots, not like Hleb or so.
Those are a few reasons why i would pick him. I also don't get the comparison between Cambiasso or Alonso and Iniesta. Why would you pick defensive midfielders over an attacking one. You should compare Gerrard, Lampard with Iniesta.
I think Gerrard and Lampard have the advantage of their physique and shot, but Iniesta makes up with his dribbling and passing skills.
That's it. I don't see numbers that don't lie? I don't see arguments. You say he is important and incredible. And you also say we can't do that for Iniesta. Bit sucky, no?
Even bloody thierry14Henry puts up a better case for Ronaldo. You are the one that is complaining about the discussions on this forum but you don't make an effort yourself.
Iniesta?
- he can keep possession
- he can create danger with his dribbles
- he can create a chance for someone else with his immense passing
- he has that great accelaration while his ball is glued to his feet which can switch the game from our own box to the other box in a few seconds without losing possession
- he gets fouled numerous times in a game (that there is no end product is not his fault, so don't blame him. free kick is in se always dangerous)
- he works and runs for the team in a way that few attack minded midfielders would do
- his inspired football motivates and inspires the team
- he has a decent (i don't say perfect or very good) shot but he is just unlucky in his finish (he hit the post several times this season) Let's say he is capable of delivering dangerous shots, not like Hleb or so.
Those are a few reasons why i would pick him. I also don't get the comparison between Cambiasso or Alonso and Iniesta. Why would you pick defensive midfielders over an attacking one. You should compare Gerrard, Lampard with Iniesta.
I think Gerrard and Lampard have the advantage of their physique and shot, but Iniesta makes up with his dribbling and passing skills.
alexjanosik
The Game
With the number of chances that we create any other quality striker would have scored as much if not more.
I provided my reasons in the Eto'o thread.I still think he is quality but after so many seasons with us I think it is time for Eto'o to leave and someone else to come in.
So I dont think it is double standard.
I provided my reasons in the Eto'o thread.I still think he is quality but after so many seasons with us I think it is time for Eto'o to leave and someone else to come in.
So I dont think it is double standard.
alexjanosik
The Game
We are talking about top 5 midfielders so I think I can pick Cambiasso and Alonso.
You mention that Iniesta can create a chance for someone with his immense passing.
I would like to know exactly how many assists he has this season.I bet even Alves has more.
You mention that he can create danger with his dribbles.All I see is him dribbling,getting fouled and the resultant freekick wasted.
So he has not created any danger with his dribbles.
You mention he can keep possession.Well so can Alonso.
You mention that he works and runs for the team.Well so does Alonso and you need to see Lampard working hard.He tracks back every time .
You mention that his 'his inspired football motivates and inspires the team'.That is just BS.
Do you think his inspired football is worth more than the amount of times that the likes of Lampard and Gerrard have won their respective sides games on their own(this season)?Gerrard has won the game with his last minute strikes a few times this season.So has Lampard for Chelsea.
I dont think so.
And please dont give the he has hit the post a lot of times argument.The ball didnt go in.That is all that counts.
You come up with lines like Iniesta inspires the team(I dont see him inspiring the team on the pitch.Go watch Lampard with Chelsea or Gerrard with Liverpool and you will know what inspiring teammates means) and you say that I dont put up a good case for my arguments.
You mention that Iniesta can create a chance for someone with his immense passing.
I would like to know exactly how many assists he has this season.I bet even Alves has more.
You mention that he can create danger with his dribbles.All I see is him dribbling,getting fouled and the resultant freekick wasted.
So he has not created any danger with his dribbles.
You mention he can keep possession.Well so can Alonso.
You mention that he works and runs for the team.Well so does Alonso and you need to see Lampard working hard.He tracks back every time .
You mention that his 'his inspired football motivates and inspires the team'.That is just BS.
Do you think his inspired football is worth more than the amount of times that the likes of Lampard and Gerrard have won their respective sides games on their own(this season)?Gerrard has won the game with his last minute strikes a few times this season.So has Lampard for Chelsea.
I dont think so.
And please dont give the he has hit the post a lot of times argument.The ball didnt go in.That is all that counts.
You come up with lines like Iniesta inspires the team(I dont see him inspiring the team on the pitch.Go watch Lampard with Chelsea or Gerrard with Liverpool and you will know what inspiring teammates means) and you say that I dont put up a good case for my arguments.
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