Andrés Iniesta

Gnegneri

Gnegneri

immaculately conceived
Ok, it is clear you just don't like Iniesta. Things like "So he has not created any danger with his dribbles." is just plain ridiculous.

I'll stop here, this is useless. I only think it is shameful that you start posting everywhere on this forum that there are no discussions and then show up with this nonsense.
 
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alexjanosik

The Game
I come up with nonsense.
You come up with Iniesta inspires the team.I dont see any inspiration when he plays.
I have given good reasons for all of my choices.
Meanwhile you cant come up with a single reason for picking Iniesta over Lampard,Gerrard.
And this has nothing to do with me not liking Iniesta .
i think he is not good enough to be in top 5.You do.
 
Quash

Quash

Ricky Martin clone
The argument about assists made no sense. He does occasionaly assist, but his style of play allows him to totally open up a defense then pass it on to the forwards, who get the assist the majority of the time. He is not a midfielder like Xavi, who racks up assists because he sprays so many passes around. And Alves? He has been a machine, remember the first half of the season? His crosses and throughballs were considered by pretty much everyone here to be the highlight of most matches. And Iniesta creates a lot of danger with his dribbles. Watch him play, he can cover more ground in a shorter time, and with more style, than Alonso,Lampard or Gerrard could.
 
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Warik

New member
Lampard in the top 5...why? Agree with Gnegneri, trying to say Iniesta does nothing is ridiculous.

Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard, Essien and Senna

For me. Lampard is overrated. If you take away Lampards goals he has nothing really. Gerrard is better than him. Senna is very underrated tbh.
 
Quash

Quash

Ricky Martin clone
Also, on your point about inspiration. When AI was injured, we suffered ,our dip in form. When he plays, it's a totally different dimension, all the players say this all the time, in interviews or whatever, that Iniesta is an incredible player and makes the attack work smoothly. He is an extremely important part of the machine and everyone knows it. That's inspiration in itself.
 
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alexjanosik

The Game
He was injured for around 2 months earlier in the season(during the tough run of games against top opposition no less) and we didnt break a sweat.We won almost all our games.I think it was just coincidence that we lost when he was injured the last time.

Lampard provides nothing but goals.
that is ridiculous and again baseless.
I guess when he scored 2 goals against Liverpool last week to take Chelsea into the SF of the CL it was nothing.
I suppose it was nothing when he scored in the CL final.
If you have watched him over the past five seasons you would know that he is much more than goals.

As for being an extremely important part of our machine,that is not an argument.That is just your opinion.
Please provide reasons.
 
Quash

Quash

Ricky Martin clone
You're just reinforcing what he said about Lamps scoring goals, not arguing for the opposite. As for explaining the important part of the machine part ... Well I really don't feel I have to, you've watched the same games as me, you've seen firsthand what a quality player he is, how much he helps our attack, how quickly he links the defence with attack and spreads the play up and down the wings. To watch Barca games then say that is very strange. If he could just shoot and defend better, he'd probably be the most complete player on the planet.
 
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Warik

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The guy is obviously a closet Chelsea fan tbh. Lampard scores goals, that is it.

Does Lampard have as good a first touch as Iniesta? No.
Does Lampard have the passing ability of Iniesta? No.
Does Lampard have the dribbling ability of Iniesta? No.

Lampard is physically stronger than Iniesta and has a better shot. That is it. Iniesta has better all round technique.

All you have done is reinforced what I was saying. All you can do in every post is keep pointing out how many goals he scores. Beyond that you ain't got shit.

Iniesta > Lampard. Simple as.
 
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alexjanosik

The Game
I am not disputing that he is quality.
I am saying that he is not better than someone like Lampard or Gerrard.(in his importance to the team)
Warik said that if you take away Lampard's goals he is nothing.
I pointed out that he scored 2 crucial goals last week to take Chelsea into the SF.Sometimes a goal is the most important contribution a player can make.So his statement is somewhat ridiculous.
Also Lampard is not all about goals.He is a very good passer of the ball and has assisted a lot of goals.He also tracks back to defend.He is almost always never injured.
Add it all up and you have a top 5 player.
Same is the case with Gerrard.

Iniesta may be a better dribbler and maybe a marginally better passer but in all other ares the English duo win.
 
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Tekken Lord

Guest
Most of you guys seem to be massively overrating Gerrard and underrating Lampard. Iniesta is my fav Barca player so... he's better than both.
 
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alexjanosik

The Game
Warik said:
The guy is obviously a closet Chelsea fan tbh. Lampard scores goals, that is it.

Does Lampard have as good a first touch as Iniesta? No.
Does Lampard have the passing ability of Iniesta? No.
Does Lampard have the dribbling ability of Iniesta? No.

Lampard is physically stronger than Iniesta and has a better shot. That is it. Iniesta has better all round technique.

All you have done is reinforced what I was saying. All you can do in every post is keep pointing out how many goals he scores. Beyond that you ain't got shit.

Iniesta > Lampard. Simple as.
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It is arrogant Barca fans like you that I cannot stand.
 
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Warik

New member
alexjanosik said:
It is arrogant Barca fans like you that I cannot stand.
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Me arrogant? Your the only one trying to tell everyone that Iniesta is shit...Giving the same sort of reasoning as to why Iniesta is so bad as why Lampard is so brilliant.

You continually claim people need to give examples and reasons as to why they rate Iniesta, yet you state your opinions as fact constantly, even going so far as to post pure bullshit as if it is a fact. Saying things like "he has not created any danger with his dribbles." when even the most fleeting glance at our season would show you are MASSIVELY wrong.

It is all a matter of opinion. Really the fact we don't convert free kicks isn't Iniesta's fault. His dribbling and pace cause problems, he is second only to Messi in winning us free kicks and penalties. The fact of the matter is he is winning us opportunities. Whether we convert them or not is not something you can downrate Iniesta for.

Fact is that top 5's in any position are completely down to personal opinion. You can argue the merits of Lampards goals, but then equalliy Iniestas dribbling DOES cause danger for opposing defenses. You can argue for the inspiration Lampard provides Chelsea, and the inspiration Iniesta has provided Barça, it is ALL subjective. Inspiration is NOT something that can be judged on a statistic.

I just find it funny that you call me arrogant for using your own reasoning against you...I used no explanation for why I believe the way I do apart from my own bias. Same as you...it proved my point really. I think many people would say it is utter tools like you that most of us can't stand. Tools who are unable to see how much of a hypocrit they sound. Statistics suited your argument for Lampard, but not for Eto'o right? for Eto'o they just get thrown out the window? "Oh, but this is different" you say...BULLSHIT. Your a statistics buff when it suites you. Anyone who has watched huge amounts of football down the years will tell you they have seen some of the best individual performances that haven't ended up in an assist or a goal for the player.

Anyway, all this had served to underline why I don't usually do top 5's. Stupid nonsense really. So many great midfielders in the world who all have up and down patches of form at different times:

Scholes, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Senna, Essien, Deco, Ballack, Lampard, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Lass, Pirlo, Cambiasso, Barry, Modric, Poulsen, Juninho (Lyon), Carrick, Anderson, Nasri, Flamini, Obi Mikel...

... and many more i'm sure others could continue with as they think of them. Picking a top 5 out of them is very hard...and IMO impossible. All top top players.
 
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shadows

shadows

Member
alexjanosik said:
It is arrogant Barca fans like you that I cannot stand.
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dude..If you want people 2 accept all the claims you make..then go to a chelsea comm..then ppl will say yes to you all the time..Dont fucking come to a Barca comm and say Iniesta is not good...
 
barca7788

barca7788

Nepali Cule
do u guys remember how we used to suffer when he played along with xavi b/c of their similarities(deco being injured or whatever) but look how he has improved in this 1 year...he can only get better
 
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