Andrés Iniesta

[beautifulgame]

Warik, don't waste your time with Alex. I've read three of his posts and none of which hold any substance. Furthermore he uses a condescending tone which makes it all the more annoying.

 

[Quash]

Agreed. Let's forget about this pointless discussion. This forum's always had great insight and a great feel, no use in stupid arguments.

 

[maz]

Hasnt tito said something about how much pep loves iniesta?

Usually i ignore pointless arguments, and in fact im going to ignore this one, simply because i cant get my head around what u are saying.

 

[alexjanosik]

Me arrogant? Your the only one trying to tell everyone that Iniesta is shit...Giving the same sort of reasoning as to why Iniesta is so bad as why Lampard is so brilliant.

You continually claim people need to give examples and reasons as to why they rate Iniesta, yet you state your opinions as fact constantly, even going so far as to post pure bullshit as if it is a fact. Saying things like "he has not created any danger with his dribbles." when even the most fleeting glance at our season would show you are MASSIVELY wrong.

It is all a matter of opinion. Really the fact we don't convert free kicks isn't Iniesta's fault. His dribbling and pace cause problems, he is second only to Messi in winning us free kicks and penalties. The fact of the matter is he is winning us opportunities. Whether we convert them or not is not something you can downrate Iniesta for.

Fact is that top 5's in any position are completely down to personal opinion. You can argue the merits of Lampards goals, but then equalliy Iniestas dribbling DOES cause danger for opposing defenses. You can argue for the inspiration Lampard provides Chelsea, and the inspiration Iniesta has provided Barça, it is ALL subjective. Inspiration is NOT something that can be judged on a statistic.

I just find it funny that you call me arrogant for using your own reasoning against you...I used no explanation for why I believe the way I do apart from my own bias. Same as you...it proved my point really. I think many people would say it is utter tools like you that most of us can't stand. Tools who are unable to see how much of a hypocrit they sound. Statistics suited your argument for Lampard, but not for Eto'o right? for Eto'o they just get thrown out the window? "Oh, but this is different" you say...BULLSHIT. Your a statistics buff when it suites you. Anyone who has watched huge amounts of football down the years will tell you they have seen some of the best individual performances that haven't ended up in an assist or a goal for the player.

Anyway, all this had served to underline why I don't usually do top 5's. Stupid nonsense really. So many great midfielders in the world who all have up and down patches of form at different times:

Scholes, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Senna, Essien, Deco, Ballack, Lampard, Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Lass, Pirlo, Cambiasso, Barry, Modric, Poulsen, Juninho (Lyon), Carrick, Anderson, Nasri, Flamini, Obi Mikel...

... and many more i'm sure others could continue with as they think of them. Picking a top 5 out of them is very hard...and IMO impossible. All top top players.

Most of you guys think Iniesta is a top 5 player.I disagree.
I gave you my reasons for why he shouldnt be in the top 5.
He just doesnt provide enough end product for all of his fancy footwork which none of you are willing to accept.
Messi's dribbles are dangerous(more often than not indirectly or directly leading to a goal scoring opportunity).
Iniesta's dribbles are not dangerous(more foten than not come to nothing)
I provide the assist argument but you come up with it is not all about assists.
He is an AM.If it is not about goals and assists then what is it about?
I bet even Henry and Alves have more assists than Iniesta.
And where have you turned my argument against me?
If you are referring to Eto'o please go check what I have written?

Anyway I am getting tired of this.You are not going to accept my points and I am not going to accept yours.So lets just drop it.

And I have been a Barca fan for 12 years.I have supported the team through the good and bad times.Just because I dont drool over every Barca player and express my admiration for another teams' player doesnt make me any less of a fan than you.

 

[Warik]

And I have been a Barca fan for 12 years.I have supported the team through the good and bad times.Just because I dont drool over every Barca player and express my admiration for another teams' player doesnt make me any less of a fan than you.

Snipping the rest above that because it is idiotic babble which says alot without saying anything at all. What is your point? trying to wow me with following a team for 12 years? I don't give a shit how long you have supported the team. I've supported it a long time myself, I ain't going to say how long because I refuse to slip to the level of "I have supported the team longer than you have" childishness.

Ultimately the joke is on you as anyone who has read my posts on this or the other forum will tell you I am one of the MOST critical of all of our players. I was criticizing Ronaldinho in the early part of the 2006/2007 season, when he was scoring all those free kicks...LONG before it became fashionable to criticize him towards the back end of 07/08. I have criticized alot of our players in the past, as maz, Beast, Evil, Tek, and others will tell you. I have even expressed my admiration for other teams players.

 

[FiReFTW]

Most of you guys think Iniesta is a top 5 player.I disagree.
I gave you my reasons for why he shouldnt be in the top 5.
He just doesnt provide enough end product for all of his fancy footwork which none of you are willing to accept.
Messi's dribbles are dangerous(more often than not indirectly or directly leading to a goal scoring opportunity).
Iniesta's dribbles are not dangerous(more foten than not come to nothing)
I provide the assist argument but you come up with it is not all about assists.
He is an AM.If it is not about goals and assists then what is it about?
I bet even Henry and Alves have more assists than Iniesta.
And where have you turned my argument against me?
If you are referring to Eto'o please go check what I have written?

Anyway I am getting tired of this.You are not going to accept my points and I am not going to accept yours.So lets just drop it.

And I have been a Barca fan for 12 years.I have supported the team through the good and bad times.Just because I dont drool over every Barca player and express my admiration for another teams' player doesnt make me any less of a fan than you.

No offence but you just proved you know squat about soccer.

 

[Quash]

Come on man, let's just drop it, comments like that don't help anyone. Pointless argument.

 

[Galning]

Iniesta is unstoppable dude.

 

[Evil]

I can't believe you don't think Iniesta is one of the top 5 midfielders ... His dribbling is definatley not useless, how many clever passes did he make this season just from the top of my head, there was the one to Xavi against Sporting in the CL, the one which Alves scored with his head, another one where he dribbled from the corner flag all the way to the goal post and gave Guddy an open goal Etc. Etc. He's won us a few PK's and fouls as well so I can't see how his dribbling is 'useless' ...

He doesn't score many goals, I'll give you that much. But he compensates with his passing, ball possession, assist, dribbling and so on .. I'd even say if he had a better shot I'd rate him as the best midfielder in the world. But anyways, everyone is entitled to an opinion, I don't think your the type than will change his mind easily lol.

 

[beef-supreme]

If Iniesta stayed fit for a whole season, playing consistently at the level where he is playing now, and managed to have a bit more good luck when it came to the woodwork, he'd be right up there with Messi. A different player, so I couldn't rate him as being better or worse, but definitely on the same godly level.

 

[alexjanosik]

If Iniesta stayed fit for a whole season, playing consistently at the level where he is playing now, and managed to have a bit more good luck when it came to the woodwork, he'd be right up there with Messi. A different player, so I couldn't rate him as being better or worse, but definitely on the same godly level.

I said I wouldnt post on the matter but I just had to respond.
Iniesta on the same level as Messi!!!!!!!
That is taking it a bit too far.
I can understand if most on this forum consider him to be a top 5 midfielder( which he isnt) but on the same level as Messi.
You are comparing Iniesta to a player who is on his way to becoming one of the greatest, if not the greatest,players to ever play the game(barring serious injury).
I often hear people say that Iniesta is underrated and I tended to agree with them.
I thought that only Barca fans knew his value.
But after reading some of the comments on here I have come to the conclusion that Iniesta is actually overrated by Barca fans.
He is good but nowhere near as good as Messi.Messi is in a league of his own.

 

[Snyde]

If Iniesta stayed fit for a whole season, playing consistently at the level where he is playing now, and managed to have a bit more good luck when it came to the woodwork, he'd be right up there with Messi. A different player, so I couldn't rate him as being better or worse, but definitely on the same godly level.

If he scored goals then he'd be equal IMO. And definitely a top 5 midfielder. Hell probably a top 5 player. Can't understand what alexwhatshisname is on about.

 

[VivaBarca]

Iniesta is a fantastic footballer that Barcelona can be proud of. Even Madridistas like him ( a Barca player ) which is about as rare as rocking horse poo.

 

[FCBNOF]

I acutally rate Iniesta somewhere near Messi's level.

 

[FiReFTW]

I acutally rate Iniesta somewhere near Messi's level.

Iniesta is a great player but this is completely ridicilous.