Andrés Iniesta

Ursegor

World Champion
Just checked it. 23 is definitely wrong. Transfermarkt gives him 3 assists against Stoke City. Whoscored gives him 1. Watch for yourself.


Counting it as an assist to stand behind the guy who scored an own goal. :worthy:

+ what Django said.
 
Assist stats are widely unreliable given how criterions vary from newspaper to newspaper and stats firms to stats firms, etc.
I think that for most, getting a penalty that ends up in a goal is an assist, but some disregard goal attempts that are blocked but end up in a goal from another teammate.
And then, the line between solo goals and team goals is blurred. Messi's solo goal vs RM in the cl semi final could almost be counted as an assist for Xavi
"undeniable" assists are actually quite rare
 

PearLBLacK

Banned
Mata really isn't anything special & wouldn't add alot to Barcelona's team, If Messi was put back on the RW to make the team more balanced/unpredictable he'd be far superior to Mata.

Yes he is. Just because he doesn't fit in Barca doesn't make him "not anything special." He'd start for any team except Barca and Real, and possible Bayern. Quality player, and obviously Messi would be better than him on the wing, if you rate players by comparing to Messi then you won't find any "special" players.
 

Vapor

New member
so apparently Iniesta is 100% sure that Barca will overturn Milan tie.
this is crap, this is over-confidence Pique and Alba have come out before and said the same thing, this is more like motivating Milan than yourself.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/iniesta-100-percent-confident-barcelona-233100786--sow.html
This is the top level of sports psychology. Think about who Barcelona is... the best, most recognizable club of the most popular game in the world. They obviously have access to the top thought and research in sports psychology. Ask yourself WHY they are making statements that they are SURE they will get through? Because positive thinking and positive visualization is EXTREMELY powerful.

If you visualize yourself losing and getting creamed in a game, then you will VERY likely do exactly that. But if you visualize and in your heart are confident and see yourself playing well, creating chances and winning, and you don't let FEAR enter your mind, you just stay calm and confident and focused.... then you have a MUCH better chance of playing great and winning the match.

Think about Pep... Pep was probably the most strong-minded out of the entire team before. The level of his faith and his confidence just INSPIRED it in the players. (IMO this is what Roura and even Tito to some extent lack that Pep brought to the table.) But imagine if our players came out saying "Meh, we know it's hard and we're really not sure if we can even do it. Don't expect too much of us, it's impossible, there's no way we can make it. We have to be realistic here." How would we feel as fans about their chances?

I'm optimistic that we even have a good chance at this, and I am so because of attitudes of the players like Iniesta, Puyol, Xavi... the leaders of the team HAVE to maintain that attitude for Barca to play with any conviction and authority at all, for us to come out at our dominant best and have a good chance at winning this.
 

Stric

New member
This is the top level of sports psychology. Think about who Barcelona is... the best, most recognizable club of the most popular game in the world. They obviously have access to the top thought and research in sports psychology. Ask yourself WHY they are making statements that they are SURE they will get through? Because positive thinking and positive visualization is EXTREMELY powerful.

If you visualize yourself losing and getting creamed in a game, then you will VERY likely do exactly that. But if you visualize and in your heart are confident and see yourself playing well, creating chances and winning, and you don't let FEAR enter your mind, you just stay calm and confident and focused.... then you have a MUCH better chance of playing great and winning the match.

Think about Pep... Pep was probably the most strong-minded out of the entire team before. The level of his faith and his confidence just INSPIRED it in the players. (IMO this is what Roura and even Tito to some extent lack that Pep brought to the table.) But imagine if our players came out saying "Meh, we know it's hard and we're really not sure if we can even do it. Don't expect too much of us, it's impossible, there's no way we can make it. We have to be realistic here." How would we feel as fans about their chances?

I'm optimistic that we even have a good chance at this, and I am so because of attitudes of the players like Iniesta, Puyol, Xavi... the leaders of the team HAVE to maintain that attitude for Barca to play with any conviction and authority at all, for us to come out at our dominant best and have a good chance at winning this.

This is 100% true. More so because we're talking about public statements here. The team, the club and its supporters need to have the most positive attitude possible if we're going to do our best to win this. Hearing anything else but positive and inspiring statements from a club legend like Iniesta would be nothing short of giving up in advance.
 
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Karnivore

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Mata really isn't anything special & wouldn't add alot to Barcelona's team, If Messi was put back on the RW to make the team more balanced/unpredictable he'd be far superior to Mata.

:lol:

Put Messi in any position along the midfield/attack and he's vastly superior to anyone else. He's a more dynamic player than Iniesta, more clinical than Falcao, more productive than Ronaldo and a considerably more effective player in the final third than Xavi, Mata or Ozil.

Right now, Messi is deployed in this 'false 9' role, and the Barcelona way isn't helping him one bit. Xavi and Busquets greatly slow the side now and neither look to put Messi through on goal, even when he does make the runs. Put Mata in that Barcelona side and he'd be hitting 30 assists a season.

--------------Villa----
-----Iniesta--Mata--Messi---
--------Xavi--Fabregas-----
Alba-------------------Alves
--------Puyol----Pique

Now that is dangerous. Alba and Alves overlapping, Villa up front where he was the most deadly centre forward in Europe, and an interchanging attacking front line of Mata, Messi and Iniesta, with Messi being free to do what he likes. Mata would force play - and Messi would attract the heat, allowing him to just pick the holes in the oppositions defence. The number of times he's put a shit Torres through on goal is a testament to just how good he is.
 

Irish_Cules

New member
:lol:

Put Messi in any position along the midfield/attack and he's vastly superior to anyone else. He's a more dynamic player than Iniesta, more clinical than Falcao, more productive than Ronaldo and a considerably more effective player in the final third than Xavi, Mata or Ozil.

Right now, Messi is deployed in this 'false 9' role, and the Barcelona way isn't helping him one bit. Xavi and Busquets greatly slow the side now and neither look to put Messi through on goal, even when he does make the runs. Put Mata in that Barcelona side and he'd be hitting 30 assists a season.

--------------Villa----
-----Iniesta--Mata--Messi---
--------Xavi--Fabregas-----
Alba-------------------Alves
--------Puyol----Pique

Now that is dangerous. Alba and Alves overlapping, Villa up front where he was the most deadly centre forward in Europe, and an interchanging attacking front line of Mata, Messi and Iniesta, with Messi being free to do what he likes. Mata would force play - and Messi would attract the heat, allowing him to just pick the holes in the oppositions defence. The number of times he's put a shit Torres through on goal is a testament to just how good he is.


Ye...dangerous for us. We're conceding loads at the moment even with Busquets covering the two attacking full backs. Take him out and god knows how many we would concede.
 
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Karnivore

Guest
It's all about discipline, and Barcelona are unique in the fact they have considerably more possession than anyone else in Europe.

Look at Man Utd, they play with two central midfielders who are no way near as talented as Iniesta, Xavi or Fabregas, yet they aren't so naive enough not to go maurading forwards and they all work hard for the teams cause.

Ballack and Frings for Germany is a great example here, they were clued up enough to allow one go forwards and one drop back at one time, interchanging between the two, in fact, this was well documented in 2006 World Cup.

Double edged sword though - you put Busquets there and you get the slow, turgid crap Barcelona are currently churning out and even then they can't defend properly, Messi drops deeper to join in and you get no output going forwards (Unless Messi gets bored and decides to do it himself). Put Mata there in a more advanced role and you'd be amazed how many times he'd get the forward in on goal, and only a moron would play him out wide.
 

Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
Did well (hardly surprising I know) when coming on.

@Karnivore: But Frings was mainly a defensive midfielder, and Ballack was a good tackler too. Xavi doesn't have the physique to play that role anymore.
 

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