Andrés Iniesta

JamDav1982

Senior Member
And what the heck does this even mean? :lol:
There's no way in hell you would have watched this Champions league campaign and say that Ronaldo has been the stand out player of this competition.

If Real win the CL Ronaldo will get the Ballon d'Or. You can bet on that.
 

ThwiX

Best midfielder around
Getting ahead of myself, this season he's making it two. Stand out player in the CL this season, and likely to beat Messi's record along the way. If Real win it he's taking back the Ballon d'Or (sadly)
I'm 100% sure that Penaldo has won his last Ballon d'Or and it doesn't matter anyway. Real Madrid won't win against Bayern in the final.
 

big_man

New member
If Real win the CL Ronaldo will get the Ballon d'Or. You can bet on that.

Aside from the fact that wasn't my point and that I don't care for whoever wins the Ballon d'or, Ronaldo (and his team) still have a hell of a lot to do to win the Champions league. My main point is, he said Ronaldo has 2 CL's like its a fact, and then bizzarely said its because he's assumed Madrid has won this year's CL, like wtf :lol:
 

Elite-BkD

New member
He may have won more for Club and Country, doesn't make him a better player. Individually Ronaldo's won plenty more - individual success rather than team success.

Iniesta is a fantastic player and you could even make a case for him being the ultimate big game player - but until he strings together the same sort of consistency as Messi and Ronaldo and contributes more to the team than just 'assisting the assister', he's not to be put in the same bracket as either. As a Chelsea fan, you could make the same argument for Drogba. BIG game player, but never consistent enough to be considered alongside someone like Henry.

Really? It's his consistency that you're holding against Iniesta?
Anyhow you talk about the game as though it consists of a handful of moments that involve goals and assists and than about 85 minutes of other, completely irrelevant stuff. Ridiculous.
 

Kerrybai

New member
I don't think anyone should compare the stats of a forward with a midfielder, in fact comparing midfielders with forwards is silly anyway. You might as well start comparing Defenders with goalkeepers.
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
...and still our best player

In this match? I love the guy, but that's debatable... Martinez won almost every single ball they disputed leaving the Don clueless... You could see that when he recieved the ball he was looking for Martinez first instead of working his magic, his passing was bad too and wasn't as involved as he usually is...

Not flaming him, but rather disappointed...
 

Cule4life

The Culest
One of his worst games for Barca. Was outgunned by Martinez all night. Really sad to see the Don having an off day. When he doesnt fire our team suffers badly
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Just out of curiousity, I'd be willing to retry the Iniesta on the wing experiment. Everyone says "oh it was pure BS and didn't work, etc." without a second thought based on our string of bad results from around january to march. If you examine it closely, the way the tactic works is by overloading the left flank on attack and then completely toppling over what seems to be a stable defense. With Montoya on the right side to add to defense, Alba's flank is free to wreak havoc on an opposition team who can't handle the overload on a single flank.

We had Iniesta dictating the attack (and was in the best form of his life doing so), Alba overlapping and linking with incredible efficiency and threat, Cesc who was in amazing form at that point and linking up extremely well, and Messi banging in a brace pretty much every game at the height of his brilliance. Yet some people say that it was a failed attempt.

The reason the lineup started to suck was because players were not rotated based on form or availability. Alves, who was previously injured or off form, returned to the team and this caused the attack to be re-established on the right side and not nearly as dominant on the left. Also, Cesc began his huge drop in form so part of the linkup on the left was weakened, along with Iniesta and Alba now being isolated because the focus was more on the right side. These factors all added up to make that particular lineup/tactic fail. But with adjustments and examination, it could really succeed.

So for at least a few games, I'd really like to try this sort of lineup:

VV
Montoya-Bartra-Abidal/Pique-Alba
Busquets
Xavi-Thiago
Tello-Messi-Iniesta

Reasons why:
-Montoya gets to play on the right once again (hugely helping our defense), and Alba gets to be on the focal flank as the attacking fullback
-Bartra and Abidal will get necessary playing time and get more accumulated for next season
-Thiago replaces Cesc in the left sided linkup because he has great form on his side and would add flair to an already incredibly creative flank (Alba, Iniesta, Messi)
- Tello on the right makes sure that even if they try to crowd the left flank out, Tello is still in space to receive a cross-field pass from any playmaker and cause trouble for the opposition. A lot of his best work is when he is in space, which is what he will get when his flank is completely open like that.
-Teams can't handle the left sided overload which completely screws up their balance, and if they try to put more defenders on the left they can still be punished on the right by Tello/Alves

Overall: it's perfectly fitted for the players, difficult to stop by the opposition, uses youth and rotation, and perfects a system that had much promise in the 1st half of the season
 

Cule4life

The Culest
^Iniesta drifts too much back into midfield. He doesnt provide width like a traditional winger which is crucial against parked buses. The world best midfielder should play in midfiield. Its the whole playing DM's as CB's thing. He and Thiago would butt heads way too often. Tello is not as effective on the RW. And Alves wont be benched certainly not unless we get another manager.

The better way is to get Suarez/Aguero, people who can actually beat their markers and create space. Or play with a CF to pin the CB's and create space for Messi.
 

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