Andrés Iniesta

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Flavia

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Iniesta was the MVP even for Barça in many important games and finals, with Messi playing. But no one could be the star next to Messi, as zidane also wouldn't, if he played by Messi's side. Iniesta was only the MVP in the WC 2010 final, Euro 2012 final, CL 2015 final. No impact, right? :lol:

You keep pushing the myth, as if zidane shined brighther than all other rm or france players. It wasn't like that, at all.
 

Ripsta

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Iniesta was the MVP even for Barça in many important games and finals, with Messi playing. But no one could be the star next to Messi, as zidane also wouldn't, if he played by Messi's side. Iniesta was only the MVP in the WC 2010 final, Euro 2012 final, CL 2015 final. No impact, right? :lol:

You keep pushing the myth, as if zidane shined brighther than all other rm or france players. It wasn't like that, at all.

Where did I say he had no impact? Zidane was the man for France, and IMO if Zidane in his prime were playing alongside Messi, he'd never been close to 100 assists because he wouldn't have to keep dropping so deep to do Iniesta's job!

Put it this way, if my side were struggling in a major important final and I had Iniesta or Zidane to bring off the bench, would you genuinely pick Iniesta?
 
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Flavia

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Where did I say he had no impact? Zidane was the man for France, and IMO if Zidane in his prime were playing alongside Messi, he'd never been close to 100 assists because he wouldn't have to keep dropping so deep to do Iniesta's job!

Put it this way, if my side were struggling in a major important final and I had Iniesta or Zidane to bring off the bench, would you genuinely pick Iniesta?

Yes. He's a big game player. He wasn't mvp in euro, wc and cl finals for nothing.

Your insistence with "Messi dropping deep to do Iniesta's job" just shows how much you don't understand which is Iniesta's job under Enrique's system. When Iniesta had a different role, under Tito, he got a lot of assists to his name. 2 different roles, 2 different outcomes. The way Tito's Barça played, and how Enrique's play, are very different. But keep it up with the nonsense argument.
 

Ripsta

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Yes. He's a big game player. He wasn't mvp in euro, wc and cl finals for nothing.

Your insistence with "Messi dropping deep to do Iniesta's job" just shows how much you don't understand which is Iniesta's job under Enrique's system. When Iniesta had a different role, under Tito, he got a lot of assists to his name. 2 different roles, 2 different outcomes. The way Tito's Barça played, and how Enrique's play, are very different. But keep it up with the nonsense argument.

2012 perhaps, shouldn't have been in 2010, should have been Xavi, and certainly not in 2015 (Messi, Rakitic and Busquets were all better IMO).

Bolded - Please provide me with the evidence to back that claim. Iniesta's lack of contribution both goalscoring and creative wise has always been masked by the excuse that he's been the man to 'assist the assister'. What's his key pass completion like per season?

Three or four years ago that excuse held strong. Messi and Villa did their thing, Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta kept the midfield ticking over, both for Barcelona and Spain. Now? His contribution has been quite frankly pitiful.
 
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Flavia

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2012 perhaps, shouldn't have been in 2010, should have been Xavi, and certainly not in 2015 (Messi, Rakitic and Busquets were all better IMO).

Bolded - Please provide me with the evidence to back that claim. Iniesta's lack of contribution both goalscoring and creative wise has always been masked by the excuse that he's been the man to 'assist the assister'. What's his key pass completion like per season?

Three or four years ago that excuse held strong. Messi and Villa did their thing, Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta kept the midfield ticking over, both for Barcelona and Spain. Now? His contribution has been quite frankly pitiful.

Iniesta had 21 assists during 12-13, most of the team that season. 2nd was Messi, with 16. Because of Tito's setup. And his contribution remains strong, even though he doesn't take much part in the creation. His role changed completely, but it's not surprising many can't really see it. Another midfielder would probably had not adapted, but he is Iniesta.
 

DennyCrane

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Like Messi?

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El Flaco

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I'm not sure if it's really accurate to actually make a direct comparison between Iniesta & Zidane.

After all, they have different positions (the former as CM and the latter as CAM) and thus different roles on the pitch.
 

Batistuta9

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I would have iniesta over zidane any day of the week. He is crucial in both the best club side and probably the best national side of all time. The people that choose zidane is because he does more skills, just like some people prefer ronaldinho over messi. For me iniesta = best cm/cam ever.
 

El Flaco

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Iniesta's interview with El Períodico

Great end to the season. You finished it in good form.

The feeling is very good, because it’s the one you’re left with after the last game, the final, but I’ve felt this was all through the season. I’ve felt very good, I’ve played as I wanted, and I’ve enjoyed being a football player a lot, beyond the numbers. The satisfaction of going out on the pitch and being pleased with what you’re doing. At the same time, this is a feeling that, looking towards the future, makes me very optimistic about next season.

Do you note that confidence, is it something you perceive, that you work on?

When I enter the pitch I already know what I’m going to find, more or less, how the football will flow. You already know how fast you are, how awake you are. During the game some things can change, but I am aware of my sensations very fast, including the day before, you start visualizing everything. It’s something that I’ve learned and noted over time and something you start controlling.

You’ve been very regular at the highest level.

Yes, that’s the perception I have. In the end, it’s an accumulation of situations, the dynamic of the team, the coach who is always aware of how we are and takes care of us. Not because of my age, because I don’t think I’m old or very tired, but in a lot of phases he has taken care of me. It’s what needs to be done in order to perform, you have to be fully fit.

In the Cup final you had some illusionist worthy moments. Even in slow motion it’s not clear what you did in some plays. Is it all just thinking? Is it instinct?

No, it’s how I am. These are my qualities, I am a footballer for things like these and with time I’ve enhanced them. I am who I am, not better or worse than others. I do a lot of things without thinking. In football there’s almost no time to think, the mind works really fast during the game, I think without thinking, you do things and sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. The final required that the players with more experience took that responsibility, because we were in a bad situation.

Sometimes it looks as if you don’t run and you run more than the rest…

The sensation on the pitch is different from what you can perceive from the outside. When you watch it, the movements aren’t aggressive, they’re natural and maybe that fools you. But on the pitch you have to move very quickly. Do I watch my games afterwards? Yes, of course.

There’s a play next to the touchline, when it looks like you have no way out, you’re boxed in and surrounded and you easily find a way out…

Well, when I do that, I examine what is happening. Even though I’m looking at the ball, I see if the others move. In that situation, for example, I go to the touchline, step on the ball and the Sevilla player thinks that I’m going to go that way and I sense that he will do that movement and I go the other way. Each of us has his potential. But, in the end, the one who dominates the ball is the one in control.

There was a moment when people said that you weren’t good for this Barça…

I don’t know how many people thought that, but I did hear that, especially last season. All changes require adaptation time. I know that if I feel good I will play. I can do 10 or 12 km, but I feel that if I am myself I can play in any system and in any team. Of course, here we’re used to seeing everything as being negative when things don’t work.

In recent years important and valuable people for the team and for you have left: Puyol, Valdés, Xavi… Now you’re the team’s first captain.

It’s the law of life. In some years I will leave and the others will remain. Being Barça’s captain makes me feel very good, more responsible about everything, not just myself, but what I represent and who, starting with my teammates. And that, along with winning and continuing to win, add value. If we wouldn’t have won, Iniesta would be a disaster of a captain who doesn’t help, doesn’t have the required character, something that I don’t know exactly what it involves. I suppose that’s how it goes. Even in 200 years it will still be this way. Out of 10 people there’s only 2 or 3 who can look beyond the current moment, without focusing on the result, on the day to day, and make a more global evaluation.

Do you feel like you’re a better player now?

I don’t feel better, but I do feel somewhat different. I don’t know if I should say more complete. Maybe now I have the job of helping more, like more of a midfielder, with more influence on the game and in helping bring out the ball from the back and maybe that conditions me in terms of getting up the pitch. But I haven’t lost the essence that has always characterized my game, my label. If I just had this part and had lost the other one, without my 1v1s, without those plays, I wouldn’t feel as accomplished as I do now. Something would be missing.

You’ll never lose that.

Well, maybe when I’m 35-36, I don’t know (laughs). What makes me happy is knowing that I’m still myself, not that a system or a way of playing change me. I have other aspects, but I’m still me.

When you look at your achievements, don’t you get dizzy? If someone had told what you’d win 10 years ago…

I don’t know how to label it. I don’t know what people perceive, I can’t measure their pride, I know their happiness because I see it in the celebrations. But something like this won’t ever happen again. I hope it does, but what we’ve done over the last 10-12 years is unthinkable, incalculable, no team in the world has done it. What makes you feel powerless are the moments when it seems like it’s not valued enough. No one has won two trebles in six years. Sometimes I’m at home, relaxed and I think: “It’s incredible, this isn’t real, this doesn’t exist.”

It’s easy to take your foot of the pedal, to think you’ve won everything already…

The thing is we’ve won during a long period of time and that isn’t easy in sport. In the end what moves you is the passion for football, that’s what keeps you going, keeps you wanting the best for your club, for your family, for yourself. For me, this is the best era in the world. It’s a privilege and a reason of great pride to have landed in this era and in this moment in life, in this team, with these players… There’s nothing better than this. Doing your job and being recognized in the whole world, people coming up to you and saying “thank you for what you’re doing”, that’s priceless. It’s not winning, like they’re saying now: what do you prefer, the Champions League or the double? The concept isn’t this or that or what has more value. It’s not about picking one of those. It’s the fact that Barça has won six out of the last 8 leagues. You say that and no one can say anything else, they can’t compare it with anything because it’s brutal. I wonder how come there are some who don’t understand this. Regardless of the team they support. If it had been Madrid who did this, it would bother us, but we would have to recognize it and accept it. You look at it and no matter what team would have done it it’s insane.

And now the Euros. Is it easy to change the chip? Are you not saturated?

We’re used to it. We had some vacation days and we cleared out heads. And it’s also good because it’s a different team, a different dynamic and environment. And we have a nice challenge in front of us.

Just like Barça’s cycle is exceptional, the national team has also made history. And you can do something no one has done before: win three Euros in a row.

What we’ve lived at Barça has had a great influence on winning what we’ve won with the national team. And it started with Luis Aragonés changing that football mentality and the profile of the players. I still think that we have a very good team and that if we do things well we’re not inferior to anyone and we’re going to be there, fighting for the trophy. If we do things like we did them at the World Cup, where it seemed like we had won before playing, it doesn’t matter what team you have.

Does the memory of Brazil weigh on you?

It doesn’t weigh on us, but it’s present. Brazil did us well because it taught us to be more calm, in the sense that you have to go step by step. It’s a good warning and we have that in mind. It helps you not to believe anything, to know that everything is difficult. The group we have is very strong, with three teams of a similar level. If you’re not at 100% in everything the rival will surely beat you.

Do you have any special goal saved for this?

You never know. Destiny will decide. But it doesn’t matter who scores. The goals belong to everyone.

https://grup14.com/story/iniesta-what-we-ve-done-over-the-last-10-12-years-is-unthinkable
 

Neeraj

Senior Member
According to me, Iniesta is one of the top 2/3 CM's or midfielders of all time. I don't know why, but people always thought of Xavi a bit greater than the Don - for me, he was equally important, if not more. People criticize his stats, but I think the assist numbers are not a fair reflection of what he does, as already stated earlier, it's about the tempo, pre assists, ball retention, releasing pressure, maintaining possession in key areas, etc.

If there's a criticism that I can accept as fair, it's his lack of goals. His shooting is quite poor for someone of his class, and that's a mystery; considering he's scored some screamers in big games :pep: . Even if he had a decent shot, not even great, he'd be savage beyond imagination.
 
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Messi983

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He's saving his goals for important games. No need for him to load up his stats against the likes of Getafe or Rayo.
 

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