Arda Turan
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bismp
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I just don't understand this.Many people say that Ney and especially Messi should stick on the wing the whole match.I just disagree.Thigs may get overcrowded,but when the opposing team has parked an airbus,Ney and Leo can do NOTHING from the wing imo.They can't dribble past 5-6 players and then score from a very difficult angle.However,when they play centrally,they may(and actually do) get a couple of shots,that have a chance to go inside the goal.
Well shouldn't it be up to the midfielders to create the chances then? I think it's fine when they move to a more central forward position, but yesterday, as usual, Neymar often cut back to midfield forcing Arda to a forward position, where he was completely useless. And to me it doesn't seem like something that can be fixed with time. What's the point in general of having an attacking midfielder if he is going to be limited like that?
Dado
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http://screamer.deadspin.com/arda-turan-wants-to-leave-atletico-because-the-coach-ma-1714403868
So he came to Barcelona........... where he won`t have to run alot.
So he came to Barcelona........... where he won`t have to run alot.
iniesta_8
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http://screamer.deadspin.com/arda-turan-wants-to-leave-atletico-because-the-coach-ma-1714403868
So he came to Barcelona........... where he won`t have to run alot.
We should have bought Simeone as well
Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
Let's see what I wrote about him 5 months ago.
Arda has been a huge bust so far. He does not fit at all.
True, this is what I wrote about him 4 months ago before his debut for us and I got a lot of heat for it:
Thats what happens when people have far too high expectations. He was never world class and never will be. He can be a useful squad player or he can be Alex Hleb 2.0. Its up to him.
i_bleed_blaugrana
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The key for me is Rakitic. The whole "MSN freedom" argument for him not playing well would be more valid to me if Rakitic had struggled as much as Arda has. It's been different for him since the ban and I think it'd be rash to sell him this summer. But it's not going to be any easier for him with Denis Suarez and Rafinha needing minutes to develop, assuming no big name MF like Pogba enters the picture.
Playing in Barça's midfield requires not only technical ability but a tactical nous that very few players possess. That's why I'll always prefer home-bred MFs to imports because they have been bred with the specific skills and mental training we need that makes the adaption process much easier.
On top of that, given the freedom Lucho gives to MSN, not only do you have to have all that ^ but now, you have to play fairly defensively and behind the ball. Iniesta in particular had a hard time adapting to this, he always played ahead of the ball, more forward than Xavi and Busi to link with the front three under Pep's era and afterwords. Lucho plays his MF deeper than Pep did in comparison and only recently had Iniesta finally looked like himself under Lucho.
The defensive freedom Lucho gives to MSN will not change nor should it. Any MF who plays here has to adapt to that and if Arda cannot, he shouldn't play until he can. For me, he still looks a bit lost positiontionally, too wide and he doesn't tuck in to help start the play from out deep. He isn't comfortable doing that so his best use to us is strictly as a winger/forward.
A big problem recently is how frequently Messi and Neymar are drifting inside. That's due to fatigue, you have to run more to create from the wings but it is crucially blunting our attack. Every team we have played has flooded the middle and with Neymar and Messi in the center, it's simply too congested to play through. Having those two out wide stretches their lines and opens up space and passing lanes to play around. Believe it or not, they would be having more success if they stayed wide and waited until in possession to cut in.
The best solution to this tactically then is to go into a double pivot with Messi as a CAM and Arda as a RW but then the Don gets benched.
Lastly, I'm not convinced Pogba would do much better than Arda for reasons I've already laid out. He loves to bomb forward and receive the ball in advanced positions and that would put a lot of pressure on Busi to cover the space he leaves.
Playing in Barça's midfield requires not only technical ability but a tactical nous that very few players possess. That's why I'll always prefer home-bred MFs to imports because they have been bred with the specific skills and mental training we need that makes the adaption process much easier.
On top of that, given the freedom Lucho gives to MSN, not only do you have to have all that ^ but now, you have to play fairly defensively and behind the ball. Iniesta in particular had a hard time adapting to this, he always played ahead of the ball, more forward than Xavi and Busi to link with the front three under Pep's era and afterwords. Lucho plays his MF deeper than Pep did in comparison and only recently had Iniesta finally looked like himself under Lucho.
The defensive freedom Lucho gives to MSN will not change nor should it. Any MF who plays here has to adapt to that and if Arda cannot, he shouldn't play until he can. For me, he still looks a bit lost positiontionally, too wide and he doesn't tuck in to help start the play from out deep. He isn't comfortable doing that so his best use to us is strictly as a winger/forward.
A big problem recently is how frequently Messi and Neymar are drifting inside. That's due to fatigue, you have to run more to create from the wings but it is crucially blunting our attack. Every team we have played has flooded the middle and with Neymar and Messi in the center, it's simply too congested to play through. Having those two out wide stretches their lines and opens up space and passing lanes to play around. Believe it or not, they would be having more success if they stayed wide and waited until in possession to cut in.
The best solution to this tactically then is to go into a double pivot with Messi as a CAM and Arda as a RW but then the Don gets benched.
Lastly, I'm not convinced Pogba would do much better than Arda for reasons I've already laid out. He loves to bomb forward and receive the ball in advanced positions and that would put a lot of pressure on Busi to cover the space he leaves.
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
What's your point ?
What does Neymar or freaking Messi have to do with Arda playing like absolute shit ? Should we sub them to accomodate him ?
People just refusing to call a cat a cat, so I will, so far, Arda has been shit for us, caca, poop, kherya. That is all.
Sell him or not, honestly don't care, but it's seriously starting to look like a failed transfer, and what's worst, I feel like he's not giving it his best, so he won't have any empathy from me, that much is for sure.
evilhita666
Barçapocalypse NOW!
I don't mind that much that he's not playing up to what was expected of him... What worries me is the lack of fighting spirit he was supposed to bring, we haven't seen the warrior he is known to be and that is something you don't need adapting to show...
Suárez had a hard time his first few months, but his character was always there, something that can't be said about Arda...
Suárez had a hard time his first few months, but his character was always there, something that can't be said about Arda...
God Serena
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It's fairly typical of these Arda fanboys to try and point the blame at every single player that isn't Arda when everyone is coming down on him. Arda is lazy, has no passing range, tends to go invisible for large stretches of the game, does not link up at all with our forwards, provides nothing defensively, commits stupid fouls constantly, has poor positional awareness, can hardly control a ball, doesn't fight for possession, etc., yet these people always go on with their "It's only been 3 months!" and "X and X were also bad this game!"
He's yet to help us win a game but he's done a damn good job of doing nothing to help the team when we're on the back foot. This is our 40m transfer? We'd be better off playing Douglas in midfield, at least we know he'd give an effort somewhere.
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