Arda Turan

[serghei]

You really have to have class players on the bench as well. Madrid's bench contains Isco, James, Danilo, Morata. How much money did Madrid pay for them?

Isco - 30m.
James - 75m.
Danilo - 32m.
Morata - 30m.
_____________

167m. for 4 players who are most of the time substitute players.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Why is everyone ignoring the most important point here. Money in modern football is becoming fast irrelevant. We are not a club that needs to sell. I doubt anyone here is owner of the club to care so much about how much was spent on a player. Why does everything have to revolve over money.
A club like us only should get rid of players if they are:
1) deadwood - they just play so bad (aka Adriano in last season) or are not played for other reasons (Vidal) or are simply past their prime (like Mathieu is becoming) and become a liability in games.
2) want to leave themselves - it is not a good idea to keep unhappy players on roster for various reasons.

We are among top 3 richest clubs in the world, yet fans are obsessed with "if good offer comes we should sell", like it is their own personal money involved. What a fan should care and only care is success on the field. For success on the field, as many quality players we can hold without it becoming an issue, the better it is. Arda, no matter if he is "worth the pricetag", would be most probably a starter in 99% of other clubs in the world. Having such a great player, willing to also bench in squad and being happy, is a luxury, no quality players want to bench. Notice how rare it is that top quality players are willing to share a starting point with someone else. We had that luxury with goalkeepers last season, look how long that lasted.
So he is "only" a squad player and excellent in Neymar role. Who the fck is saying Neymar will not get injured in spring. But oh i can see how 50 million in cash is happily going to run around in the field doing as good as Turan has done this season.

Also the goddamn mistake in El Classico. Yes lets sell because a player made a mistake in a game rofl. Hey, did he score an own goal? No. Did he cause a penalty? No. Did he let someone go pass him 1v1 with goalkeeper and score? No Did he give a backpass to allow opponent to score? No
Those are the mistakes u can really blame a player individually, for rest it will always be a team-fckup.

 

[reaper]

Why is everyone ignoring the most important point here. Money in modern football is becoming fast irrelevant. We are not a club that needs to sell. I doubt anyone here is owner of the club to care so much about how much was spent on a player. Why does everything have to revolve over money.
A club like us only should get rid of players if they are:
1) deadwood - they just play so bad (aka Adriano in last season) or are not played for other reasons (Vidal) or are simply past their prime (like Mathieu is becoming) and become a liability in games.
2) want to leave themselves - it is not a good idea to keep unhappy players on roster for various reasons.

We are among top 3 richest clubs in the world, yet fans are obsessed with "if good offer comes we should sell", like it is their own personal money involved. What a fan should care and only care is success on the field. For success on the field, as many quality players we can hold without it becoming an issue, the better it is. Arda, no matter if he is "worth the pricetag", would be most probably a starter in 99% of other clubs in the world. Having such a great player, willing to also bench in squad and being happy, is a luxury, no quality players want to bench. Notice how rare it is that top quality players are willing to share a starting point with someone else. We had that luxury with goalkeepers last season, look how long that lasted.
So he is "only" a squad player and excellent in Neymar role. Who the fck is saying Neymar will not get injured in spring. But oh i can see how 50 million in cash is happily going to run around in the field doing as good as Turan has done this season.

Also the goddamn mistake in El Classico. Yes lets sell because a player made a mistake in a game rofl. Hey, did he score an own goal? No. Did he cause a penalty? No. Did he let someone go pass him 1v1 with goalkeeper and score? No Did he give a backpass to allow opponent to score? No
Those are the mistakes u can really blame a player individually, for rest it will always be a team-fckup.

Nothing in the post explains the reality.

1/ Fans don't want sell Arda because he ruined the Clasico - they want to sell him for all the average games he has had combined, games against lower division teams - where his fans have said things like: 'to say he was worst player on the pitch is unfair...he was one of them yes, but not the only one..'

2/ You are right, it is not about the money - fans just don't want him, especially in Catalunya. Any money is good for him. Even £20 million.

3/ Part of Barcelona's ethos is evolution. We did not buy Arda to score hattricks against Hercules (3rd division) and Borussia Mönchengladbach (currently 3 points off the relegation zone in the Bundesliga..). We supposedly bought Arda to help turn big games. He does not have the ability to do that. He was never suited to the Barcelona style.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Nothing in the post explains the reality.

1/ Fans don't want sell Arda because he ruined the Clasico - they want to sell him for all the average games he has had.
2/ You are right, it is not about the money - fans just don't want him, especially in Catalunya.
3/ Part of Barcelona's ethos is evolution. We did not but Arda to score hattricks against Hercules (3rd division) and Borussia Mönchengladbach (currently 3 points off the relegation zone in the Bundesliga..). We supposedly bought Arda to help turn big games. He does not have the ability to do that. He was never suited to the Barcelona style.

In exactly how many big games has been used as LW? If u use someone out of position, then likelyhood of him succeeding is not that big. I mean using him as DM for some odd reason? Cannot really blame the player here. Can you guarantee that all of MSN will be fit for all "big games" we have in spring? I wouldnt bet my money on it.

I do agree that his purchase was quite baffling for me in the first place, as i simply could not understand where he would fit. But as long as we have a top quality sub for at least 1 of MSN (especially the one who is out of shape), i see no reason to change it.

 

[Ghostmaster]

Why is everyone ignoring the most important point here. Money in modern football is becoming fast irrelevant. We are not a club that needs to sell. I doubt anyone here is owner of the club to care so much about how much was spent on a player. Why does everything have to revolve over money.
A club like us only should get rid of players if they are:
1) deadwood - they just play so bad (aka Adriano in last season) or are not played for other reasons (Vidal) or are simply past their prime (like Mathieu is becoming) and become a liability in games.
2) want to leave themselves - it is not a good idea to keep unhappy players on roster for various reasons.

We are among top 3 richest clubs in the world, yet fans are obsessed with "if good offer comes we should sell", like it is their own personal money involved. What a fan should care and only care is success on the field. For success on the field, as many quality players we can hold without it becoming an issue, the better it is. Arda, no matter if he is "worth the pricetag", would be most probably a starter in 99% of other clubs in the world. Having such a great player, willing to also bench in squad and being happy, is a luxury, no quality players want to bench. Notice how rare it is that top quality players are willing to share a starting point with someone else. We had that luxury with goalkeepers last season, look how long that lasted.
So he is "only" a squad player and excellent in Neymar role. Who the fck is saying Neymar will not get injured in spring. But oh i can see how 50 million in cash is happily going to run around in the field doing as good as Turan has done this season.

Also the goddamn mistake in El Classico. Yes lets sell because a player made a mistake in a game rofl. Hey, did he score an own goal? No. Did he cause a penalty? No. Did he let someone go pass him 1v1 with goalkeeper and score? No Did he give a backpass to allow opponent to score? No
Those are the mistakes u can really blame a player individually, for rest it will always be a team-fckup.

How do you explain why Atletico wanted to get rid of him? Because the guy is a foul machine, he can't help it, whenever he is on the pitch, he will foul. In 2015 CL, he gets second yellow against Ramos and Atletico is out, last season plays couple of matches with us - 5 yellows, this season manager tells him not to foul when attacker is not facing a goal, what he does - he fouls.

 

[Alik]

[/B]

How do you explain why Atletico wanted to get rid of him? Because the guy is a foul machine, he can't help it, whenever he is on the pitch, he will foul. In 2015 CL, he gets second yellow against Ramos and Atletico is out, last season plays couple of matches with us - 5 yellows, this season manager tells him not to foul when attacker is not facing a goal, what he does - he fouls.

Yet he has zero cards this season.

 

[LeeRomeno]

[/B]

How do you explain why Atletico wanted to get rid of him? Because the guy is a foul machine, he can't help it, whenever he is on the pitch, he will foul. In 2015 CL, he gets second yellow against Ramos and Atletico is out, last season plays couple of matches with us - 5 yellows, this season manager tells him not to foul when attacker is not facing a goal, what he does - he fouls.

They didn't want to get rid of him. We wanted to buy, Arda wanted to come and Atletico back then was still a selling club and far from being able to resist such an offer.

 

[Ghostmaster]

Yet he has zero cards this season.

But that's not the point, there is always something with him and fouls, he simply can't be trusted in big games.

 

[Ghostmaster]

They didn't want to get rid of him. We wanted to buy, Arda wanted to come and Atletico back then was still a selling club and far from being able to resist such an offer.

They released him very easily, my impression was that they really weren't happy with him and that foul on Ramos was the last straw.

 

[LeeRomeno]

They released him very easily, my impression was that they really weren't happy with him and that foul on Ramos was the last straw.

I have no idea what you mean by easily? We came with offer they found unreasonable to reject and player wanted to move aswell despite the ban.

 

[Ghostmaster]

I have no idea what you mean by easily? We came with offer they found unreasonable to reject and player wanted to move aswell despite the ban.

If they were happy with him they would have fought to keep him no matter what the price is, Valencia's board was even fighting to keep Paco.

 

[KingMessi]

Was 40M not his buyout?

 

[Alik]

Was 40M not his buyout?

It was.

 

[Behrox]

How do you explain why Atletico wanted to get rid of him? Because the guy is a foul machine, he can't help it, whenever he is on the pitch, he will foul. In 2015 CL, he gets second yellow against Ramos and Atletico is out, last season plays couple of matches with us - 5 yellows, this season manager tells him not to foul when attacker is not facing a goal, what he does - he fouls.

Well then I commend Lucho on the masterstroke of putting in the said foul machine to defend instead of an actual defender that was ready on the bench

 

[Alik]

Another good match from him.