Arsenal

[AnfieldEd]

LOL so you saying Mata, Silva and Ballack not in the same category as Ozil in terms of signing. Right. Ok. Whatever you say.

Veron in 2001 was seen as the best CM in the world.

Yaya won titles in Barca and integral part of the team. Bergkamp true had a bad spell in Italy but his reputation in Holland preceeded any of that.

Anyway its a pointless debate. I agree Ozil is among those in terms of marquee signings though.

 

[pEllee]

LOL so you saying Mata, Silva and Ballack not in the same category as Ozil in terms of signing. Right. Ok. Whatever you say.

Veron in 2001 was seen as the best CM in the world.

Yaya won titles in Barca and integral part of the team. Bergkamp true had a bad spell in Italy but his reputation in Holland preceeded any of that.

Anyway its a pointless debate. I agree Ozil is among those in terms of marquee signings though.

You're missing the entire point. I meant the biggest signing with the most prestige involved. Not the best signing.

I took more than just the player into consideration. Real Madrid are arguably the biggest club in the world, and Arsenal just signed a young player from them, with three fantastic seasons behind him. I took things such as, previous seasons, age, which clubs they signed from etc into consideration.


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Should never have said that I guess. The reactions were expected -.-

 

[Jenks]

Walcott as stiker? How did that work out previously?

It worked out quite well. He's a striker by trade, not a winger. Probably the best finisher at Arsenal right now.

 

[DavidVillano1]

Let me guess, "United had won the league" and "Bayern had already gone through"?

EXACTLY....

Bayern played without Ribery, Schweinsteiger and Boateng that night. Two key players and still had 23 shots on goal. They were toothless on the night and didn't turn up as they thought the tie was already over, it was clear as day during that match. Did you even watch it?!

It's like this myth that Chelsea defended amazingly against Barcelona over two legs when they knocked them out two years ago. Barcelona had numerous chances over both legs, missed a pen etc. The chances were there but the finishing wasn't, there's a difference in great defending and getting a clean sheet through the opposition missing chances!

Arsenal have problems defensively and having clean sheets against the likes of Newcastle, Swansea, QPR and Fulham won't make me think otherwise. I watch a lot of Arsenal and defending like against Aston Villa is always there to happen especially at home.

They did defend well at times against Tottenham but other times looked extremely shaky. Arsenal are a good team and will challenge for top 4, but there is no chance of them competing for the championship.

 

[AnfieldEd]

You're missing the entire point. I meant the biggest signing with the most prestige involved. Not the best signing.

I took more than just the player into consideration. Real Madrid are arguably the biggest club in the world, and Arsenal just signed a young player from them, with three fantastic seasons behind him. I took things such as, previous seasons, age, which clubs they signed from etc into consideration.


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Should never have said that I guess. The reactions were expected -.-

Real Madrid wanted to let him go though. Ozil didn't sign for Arsenal because they are better prospect. He signed because Arsenal put in an acceptable bid! So big difference.

 

[pEllee]

EXACTLY....

Bayern played without Ribery, Schweinsteiger and Boateng that night. Two key players and still had 23 shots on goal. They were toothless on the night and didn't turn up as they thought the tie was already over, it was clear as day during that match. Did you even watch it?!

It's like this myth that Chelsea defended amazingly against Barcelona over two legs when they knocked them out two years ago. Barcelona had numerous chances over both legs, missed a pen etc. The chances were there but the finishing wasn't, there's a difference in great defending and getting a clean sheet through the opposition missing chances!

Arsenal have problems defensively and having clean sheets against the likes of Newcastle, Swansea, QPR and Fulham won't make me think otherwise. I watch a lot of Arsenal and defending like against Aston Villa is always there to happen especially at home.

They did defend well at times against Tottenham but other times looked extremely shaky. Arsenal are a good team and will challenge for top 4, but there is no chance of them competing for the championship.

I did watch the game, I mostly remember long shots from Bayern. That was good defending, Chelsea's defending was not. And do you really think they thought it was really over? Of course they gave it their best. As did United.

I can't give you any more example against the top teams with the best starting eleven. That would be against Man city during pre season, that ended 3-1.


You're just looking for excuses. There are even several articles explaining how Wenger solved the defensive issues. If you are interested I will gladly link them to you.

EDIT: Btw, it was 5 (or 8 according to uefa) shots on target, not 23. Nice try though.

 

[DavidVillano1]

That was meant to say at goal...

Why would I be making excuses?

You're resorting to pre season games now, seriously?

Keep those articles to yourself, I would rather use my own eyes and form my own opinion rather than go by 'someone else'... Next you will be telling me Man United didn't lack a CM as Ferguson didn't buy one or that Chelsea were the better team against Bayern as Mourinho said so.

As for your excuses about injuries, what are the excuses for the defending in these games considering Arsenal had close to their best defence;

Arsenal 3-3 Fulham
Arsenal 0-2 Swansea
Reading 2-5 Arsenal
Arsenal 7-3 Newcastle
Swansea 2-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

That's without getting into the games against Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Schalke, Bayern and so on....

Arsenal have defensive problems, one or two injuries and they will be in trouble, their defending against Aston Villa shows that. I like Arsenal but some are underestimating the issues they didn't address this summer.

Anyway I will come back to this at the end of the season as we're not going to agree and then we will see how Arsenal faired and how their defence did! I hope I'm wrong and will openly admit it if Arsenal do something this season and do well defensively. :beer2:

 

[pEllee]

That was meant to say at goal...

Why would I be making excuses?

You're resorting to pre season games now, seriously?

Keep those articles to yourself, I would rather use my own eyes and form my own opinion rather than go by 'someone else'... Next you will be telling me Man United didn't lack a CM as Ferguson didn't buy one or that Chelsea were the better team against Bayern as Mourinho said so.

As for your excuses about injuries, what are the excuses for the defending in these games considering Arsenal had close to their best defence;

Arsenal 3-3 Fulham
Arsenal 0-2 Swansea
Reading 2-5 Arsenal
Arsenal 7-3 Newcastle
Swansea 2-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

That's without getting into the games against Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Schalke, Bayern and so on....

Arsenal have defensive problems, one or two injuries and they will be in trouble, their defending against Aston Villa shows that. I like Arsenal but some are underestimating the issues they didn't address this summer.

Anyway I will come back to this at the end of the season as we're not going to agree and then we will see how Arsenal faired and how their defence did! I hope I'm wrong and will openly admit it if Arsenal do something this season and do well defensively. :beer2:

Well, they do explain the reasons behind those results. It's a question about tactics. Not someone else's opinion.. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-arsenal-defense-has-anything-changed-at-all


I know they will do good defensively.

 

[Gilberto]

I am so happy Arsenal managed to sign someone. With Cazorla and Özil they will have suppliers but I hope their strikers can score from those chances. I think Özil is one of the best 10's in the world, because he has great ball control, vision and accuracy.

 

[Ode to Django]

 

[PhilS]

It's unbelievable that any team would let Ozil go! This guy can really play, particularly for a team that can run the counter. This is heavan for Walcott.

Arsenal's chances have gone way up.

 

[Robbie]

Ok. Now I believe this is real

 

[ryaninho]

That was meant to say at goal...

Why would I be making excuses?

You're resorting to pre season games now, seriously?

Keep those articles to yourself, I would rather use my own eyes and form my own opinion rather than go by 'someone else'... Next you will be telling me Man United didn't lack a CM as Ferguson didn't buy one or that Chelsea were the better team against Bayern as Mourinho said so.

As for your excuses about injuries, what are the excuses for the defending in these games considering Arsenal had close to their best defence;

Arsenal 3-3 Fulham
Arsenal 0-2 Swansea
Reading 2-5 Arsenal
Arsenal 7-3 Newcastle
Swansea 2-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

That's without getting into the games against Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Schalke, Bayern and so on....

Arsenal have defensive problems, one or two injuries and they will be in trouble, their defending against Aston Villa shows that. I like Arsenal but some are underestimating the issues they didn't address this summer.

Anyway I will come back to this at the end of the season as we're not going to agree and then we will see how Arsenal faired and how their defence did! I hope I'm wrong and will openly admit it if Arsenal do something this season and do well defensively. :beer2:

I think you need to look at the team sheet ans see who was in defence during those games, and compare them to Bayern and onwards you'd see a vast difference.

The villa game the referee actually gave bad decisions, giving advantage, after the advantage is played pulls it back for a pen, the second pen was even worse a good tackle ref still gave a pen. I seriously think you should choose another game for your references on arsenal having a bad defence which is a complete media crap because we didn't sign the defenders they thought we should sign, as well as being bad against 6"5 dudes at set pieces a few seasons back.....oh btw conceding 18 goals at home and scoring 30-50 goals is fine as long as we don't lose; and yes we had the second best defence over all not just away.

 

[DavidVillano1]

I think you need to look at the team sheet ans see who was in defence during those games, and compare them to Bayern and onwards you'd see a vast difference.

Think you will find in those matches I posted this was the starts for each;

Mertesacker - 5/6
Koscielny - 3/6
Gibbs - 5/6
Vermaelen - 5/6
Sagna - 5/6

So yeh it's fair to say that in those games Arsenal had close to their best back 4, as I said previously if Arsenal get an injury or two they will struggle badly in that department.

Arsenal gave away 23 goals at home last season in 19 games, even Sunderland had a better defensive record at home. Dropping 19 points at home is not good enough, United dropped 9 last season and 3 was against Chelsea when the title was won. You've already dropped 3 this season as well.

 

[ryaninho]

Think you will find in those matches I posted this was the starts for each;

Mertesacker - 5/6
Koscielny - 3/6
Gibbs - 5/6
Vermaelen - 5/6
Sagna - 5/6

So yeh it's fair to say that in those games Arsenal had close to their best back 4, as I said previously if Arsenal get an injury or two they will struggle badly in that department.

Arsenal gave away 23 goals at home last season in 19 games, even Sunderland had a better defensive record at home. Dropping 19 points at home is not good enough, United dropped 9 last season and 3 was against Chelsea when the title was won. You've already dropped 3 this season as well.

Seriously mate you pick and choose what statistic you want, like for instance arsenal already losing 3 points at home, so united losing 2 points escaped your attention.

Right the statistic your looking at are starts not pairings at all as well as subs for injuries or anything so therefore what you pointed out is baseless and geared to for fill your argument, even the games you've chosen, why not look at all 38 games???? the number of clean sheets compared to other teams???? the amount of goals conceded overall compared to other teams??? if you are going to make an argument make sure its thorough, it's very easy to say the defence is shit the pull a few games and say look at that....

And the best info you failed stupendously to look at is the fact if conceding 37 goals in 38 games then Chelsea conceding 40 in 38 makes them defensively shit and man city 34 in 38 makes them defensively shit by your logic and reasoning