Arsenal

[JonM]

Pedro has 2 goals + 8 assists in 23 appearances (most of them starts)

Last season he had 13 goals and 3 assists in 48 appearances

Alexis scored 15 goals and 5 assists in 41 appearances last season

This season he has scored 1 goal and has 5 assists.

So, in total:

Pedrito: In 71 appearances he has scored 15 goals and assisted 11 times.

Alexis: In 59 appearances he has scored 16 goals and assisted 10 times.

In other words, Pedro has been scoring at a rate of 1 every 5 games, and Alexis 1 in every 4. And they are both assisting at rate lower of than the already low rate of their scoring.

But it is not just about goals and assists. Both of the are fundamentally unable to dribble past defenders and trouble opposing defenses so much most of the time. The ony positive thing about them is their workrate, but if workrate is only we care about, we could just buy some Celtic or Stoke players for example.

No because they can't pass the ball for shit, contrary to Pedro and Alexis.

 

[Cristofol]

Pedro has 2 goals + 8 assists in 23 appearances (most of them starts)

Last season he had 13 goals and 3 assists in 48 appearances

Alexis scored 15 goals and 5 assists in 41 appearances last season

This season he has scored 1 goal and has 5 assists.

So, in total:

Pedrito: In 71 appearances he has scored 15 goals and assisted 11 times.

Alexis: In 59 appearances he has scored 16 goals and assisted 10 times.

In other words, Pedro has been scoring at a rate of 1 every 5 games, and Alexis 1 in every 4. And they are both assisting at rate lower of than the already low rate of their scoring.

But it is not just about goals and assists. Both of the are fundamentally unable to dribble past defenders and trouble opposing defenses so much most of the time. The ony positive thing about them is their workrate, but if workrate is only we care about, we could just buy some Celtic or Stoke players for example.

Pedro you may have a point in terms of final product but nobody is expecting him to be as good as Messi, and no self respecting football fan can claim a 23 year old is crap. He's 23 for Christs sake, players do not hit their prime until 26/27 or players like Drogba's case perhaps later than that. A season and a half is not enough time for a TWENTY THREE year old to be deemed good or crap. But the modern Barcelona fan is not interesting in waiting for player development, they want everything now, if a player isn't 4/5 years ahead of his time he has no business at Barcelona despite this Barcelona being built on foundations of young player development and years of hard work not instant fixes like a Spanish buddies in the shitty white shirts.

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

The problem with Pedro/Sanchez is not that they are not flashy. The problem is that they are not delivering. Not just goals and assists, but things like fast and accurate passing (our lifeblood) as well as getting past defenders.

Well yeah sanchez passing is not the best but pedro is a pretty good passer.Sanchez last 2 matches weren´t that bad and Pedro had 2 very bad matches in a row but otherwise he was pretty good this season imo.I don´t see the problem when we outscore any top team in europe.
Also i don´t like how some people just want to sell sanchez and just buy falcao or aguero and Pedro has done very well for Barcelona.Maybe you not
remember but its because of him that we won the CWC in 2009 and the european supercup and he was also the one who killed off Madrid in the CL.
Seriously people should stop till the end off the season then we can talk about transfers but not now.Not even half off the season is over and people want to get rid of pedro and sanchez even though we top the league and are 13 points infront off Madrid.Some Barcelona fans these days are just .

 

[Malappapper]

Pedro you may have a point in terms of final product but nobody is expecting him to be as good as Messi, and no self respecting football fan can claim a 23 year old is crap. He's 23 for Christs sake, players do not hit their prime until 26/27 or players like Drogba's case perhaps later than that. A season and a half is not enough time for a TWENTY THREE year old to be deemed good or crap. But the modern Barcelona fan is not interesting in waiting for player development, they want everything now, if a player isn't 4/5 years ahead of his time he has no business at Barcelona despite this Barcelona being built on foundations of young player development and years of hard work not instant fixes like a Spanish buddies in the shitty white shirts.

What? You cannot judge a 23 year old player? All the great players show their talent from extremely early on. Btw, Sanchez is 24 in exactly 1 day and 45mns. Pedro is 25.

The problem with them, is not that we cannot wait for them to develop, the problem is that there are clear signs of stagnation (Alexis) and regression (Pedro) Some players play their best football when 22, others at 25, and some at 28. But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that these 2 are moving to the direction that we want them to. In fact, the opposite is the case. Pedro is much worse than 2-3 years ago, and Alexis is as mediocre as he was last season (if not more)

You are basing yourself on a massive fallacy if you believe that Alexis will surely be better at 26 from what he is now. There is 0 guarantee that something like that will ever happen.

And one more thing, we are not always based on cantera products, we combine canteranos with star signings since forever:Kubala, Cruyff, Neskeens, Lineker, Schuster, Stoichkov, Romario, Keoman, Rivaldo, Kluivert, Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Alves, Ibrahimovic, Villa and countless others.

 

[Cristofol]

Well yeah sanchez passing is not the best but pedro is a pretty good passer.Sanchez last 2 matches weren´t that bad and Pedro had 2 very bad matches in a row but otherwise he was pretty good this season imo.I don´t see the problem when we outscore any top team in europe.
Also i don´t like how some people just want to sell sanchez and just buy falcao or aguero and Pedro has done very well for Barcelona.Maybe you not
remember but its because of him that we won the CWC in 2009 and the european supercup and he was also the one who killed off Madrid in the CL.
Seriously people should stop till the end off the season then we can talk about transfers but not now.Not even half off the season is over and people want to get rid of pedro and sanchez even though we top the league and are 13 points infront off Madrid.Some Barcelona fans these days are just .

 

[Malappapper]

Well yeah sanchez passing is not the best but pedro is a pretty good passer.Sanchez last 2 matches weren´t that bad and Pedro had 2 very bad matches in a row but otherwise he was pretty good this season imo.I don´t see the problem when we outscore any top team in europe.
Also i don´t like how some people just want to sell sanchez and just buy falcao or aguero and Pedro has done very well for Barcelona.Maybe you not
remember but its because of him that we won the CWC in 2009 and the european supercup and he was also the one who killed off Madrid in the CL.
Seriously people should stop till the end off the season then we can talk about transfers but not now.Not even half off the season is over and people want to get rid of pedro and sanchez even though we top the league and are 13 points infront off Madrid.Some Barcelona fans these days are just .

I just don't want to have to watch and Madrid or Chelsea beating us to the major titles. I very much fear, that our reliance on Messi for goals will backfire when we face the top teams. They know they have to single him out, and take their risks with our wingers, and that is what they do. If you see our games with major opponents in the past year or so, you will see that they usually manage to keep Messi from scoring (especially from open play) and the rest of our players fail to make the grade.

 

[Cristofol]

What? You cannot judge a 23 year old player? All the great players show their talent from extremely early on. Btw, Sanchez is 24 in exactly 1 day and 45mns. Pedro is 25.

The problem with them, is not that we cannot wait for them to develop, the problem is that there are clear signs of stagnation (Alexis) and regression (Pedro) Some players play their best football when 22, others at 25, and some at 28. But there is absolutely nothing to indicate that these 2 are moving to the direction that we want them to. In fact, the opposite is the case. Pedro is much worse than 2-3 years ago, and Alexis is as mediocre as he was last season (if not more)

You are basing yourself on a massive fallacy if you believe that Alexis will surely be better at 26 from what he is now. There is 0 guarantee that something like that will ever happen.

And one more thing, we are not always based on cantera products, we combine canteranos with star signings since forever:Kubala, Cruyff, Neskeens, Lineker, Schuster, Stoichkov, Romario, Keoman, Rivaldo, Kluivert, Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Alves, Ibrahimovic, Villa and countless others.

I'm basing myself on what I've spent the past 20 years observing. Also when exactly did I say that Sanchez will be good or bad? I didn't. My point is you just don't know he's too young to judge fairly, I've seen this happen time and time again, maybe he won't ever be good enough for Barcelona maybe he will. And look at the names you're mentioning for frig sake, you are naming a lot of players who are not even comparable to humans, you can't base every argument about a player on 'He isn't as good as (insert football legend here) was at that age' Not ever player is going to be a legend of football or Barcelona it doesn't mean they can't provide anything. Ridiculous comparisons

 

[Robbie]

2 points from 3rd place. Looking good for that champions league qualification trophy.

 

[Aryagorn]

Are you suggesting that Arsenal fans should revolt?

of course... The few fans who do when they are in real bad shape tend to change their mind as soon as Arsenal get a good result or achieve the 'goal' of qualifying for CL. The rest of them are delusional and believe the said goal is indeed more valueable than trophies

...

 

[Ode to Django]

2 points from 3rd place. Looking good for that champions league qualification trophy.

You'll probably get it in the end anyways, the teams around that area (including yourselves ) are very inconsistent. String of 3-4 wins & you'll be flying.

 

[Galning]

2 points from 3rd place. Looking good for that champions league qualification trophy.

 

[Jenks]

Who'd have thought Gary Neville would become such a great pundit.

 

[Ode to Django]

That's just common sense though, hence why Arsenal 90% of the time look toothless infront of goals as no-one runs from midfield, Exactly the same as Liverpool, pass, pass, pass going nowhere fast. Especially in a 4-3-3 with no midfield runners it's going to be a problem scoring, unless your Barcelona.

AC Milan have switched to a 4-3-3 i personally hate the formation but Nocerino will always strive forward & is a goal threat so it creates more problems for the opposition. Last season you had Kevin Prince Boateng & Nocerino running off Ibrahimovic's target play

Juventus midfield has the perfect balance currently with Pirlo running things & Marchisio/Vidal running beyond, they get tonnes of goals + opportunities, very balanced..

 

[Ketoth]

 

[Ketoth]

Who'd have thought Gary Neville would become such a great pundit.

Andy Gray was better.