Arthur

[mc_lovin]

He now has a confidence problem? xD he cant just have a mediocre game? Something deep inside him has to be wrong.

 

[FCB1987]

Has BBZ ever been wrong about something on here? It feels like he's always 1-2 years ahead of everyone else. He'll say something, people will criticize and hate on him for a while, and then eventually everyone realizes he's right

 

[xXKonan]

Has BBZ ever been wrong about something on here? It feels like he's always 1-2 years ahead of everyone else. He'll say something, people will criticize and hate on him for a while, and then eventually everyone realizes he's right

He's wrong quite a bit.

Only started to show up here once Arthur hit a bad patch of form. That's how he is.

 

[CatalinR10]

He's wrong quite a bit.

quite a bit ?

 

[xXKonan]

quite a bit ?

Well trying to be a bit nice here.

But to be fair BBZ can give some good points but his crusade against Arthur is something though. I get that he's not tall enough nor physical enough for his taste but he has to deal with it as Arthur is not going anywhere.

Perhaps he can take a liking to De Jong instead.

 

[Joan]

BBZ says players like Arthur in 9/10 cases don't make it here and that they shouldn't be given too much time.

Arthur has some good matches.

'BBZ is always wrong, lol, look at him lel'

That's how things usually go.

 

[KingLeo10]

BBZ says players like Arthur in 9/10 cases don't make it here and that they shouldn't be given too much time.

Arthur has some good matches.

'BBZ is always wrong, lol, look at him lel'

That's how things usually go.

the problem isn't with criticism, it's that he waits for a bad game to happen to push all sorts of narratives/hypotheses. That might be warranted if he has a stretch of bad games for 1-2 months going but that hasn't happened (yet) and we don't know if it will.

 

[xXKonan]

BBZ says players like Arthur in 9/10 cases don't make it here and that they shouldn't be given too much time.

Arthur has some good matches.

'BBZ is always wrong, lol, look at him lel'

That's how things usually go.

Ehh he deserved to be called out of his posts early on in this thread.

He tried making a case that he won't make it here after like 5 games in without having a chance of getting a good run in the team. Once he got that chance he started to prove a lot of people wrong about him his dip in form is not going to change that either.

 

[KingLeo10]

Has BBZ ever been wrong about something on here? It feels like he's always 1-2 years ahead of everyone else. He'll say something, people will criticize and hate on him for a while, and then eventually everyone realizes he's right

nice wind-up attempt.

BBZ declared germany favorites for WC 2018. LOL

Declared coutinho our 2nd best player after Messi last season. LOL

this is just 2 of the top notch gems.

He's right and he's wrong. Like everyone else.

 

[te amo barca]

The thing with BBZ is that he has an established ideology and you can predict his opinion 8/10 times at this point before he even says something (probably because he has said it already years ago). He is right in some aspects, completely wrong in others, and he never tries to pass his opinions as facts. It is all an "imo" in his case, for which I like him.

 

[raki]

Ok, I am gonna get some hate for this for attacking Arthur, Barca DNA player, a young player, and a forum's favorite.

But let's test something:
Roberto and Semedo are both our RBs.
When Semedo is not playing too much, people say: EV is ruining his confidence. Semedo needs to play more in order to get confidence and to play freely.
Ok.
On the other hand: Roberto is our starting RB.
Don't you think that he could get pissed because he needs to share his minutes 50:50 or 60:40 with some other guy (Semedo)?
So, to some extent, Roberto could also lose confidence, the same as Semedo, and his displays could be affected by too many rotations.

But what is happening in reality?
= Roberto is not affected and is usually always brave and on his usual level
= while Semedo's form if going up and down and he depends a lot about his confidence and how he feels in a certain period

Or, let's check some other rotation players:
Vidal: he is the 4th pick, behind a youngster Arthur and he gets a garbage minutes often even though he won 10s of trophies in his career.
But when he steps in, he plays with 120% and he is not affected by EV or by confidence.

Or, a young Alena.
He is the 5th pick.
He should have played way more, as our forum says.
But when he (rarely) DO get a chance (garbage minutes), he plays with 120% and is even slightly TOO CONFIDENT and is not scared to make a mistake.

Rafinha, when fit is never scared, even though he gets garbage minutes.

Or look at Malcom, he gets garbage minutes, he steps in and gives 200% and trying to prove to a coach, media and fans that he deserves more playing time.

Then, on the other hand, we have guys like Coutinho.
Who is obviously mentally very fragile and his form goes up and down based on his emotions, PMS and confidence.

I am not saying that EV is not guilty in the case of Arthur.
But again, you came to one of the biggest clubs in the world.
You know that you will fight with 5-6-7 world class players for your position.
You have to know that sometimes you won't play even though you may feel that you are the best pick.
You have to know that each coach has it's own ideas and some favorite players. In some cases, it won't be you.
You have to know that sometimes random things will happen like media attacking for no reason, or some teammate not liking for some reason, or some fans attacking you for some reason, or you will have personal/family issues and you won't be at 100%, or you will have health problems etc.

So, you see, in our team, we have players who don't give a fuck no matter what, like Vidal, Malcom, Rafinha, Roberto etc.
And then, we have guys like:
Messi, who sulks when we are losing 0:2 in Champions league matches and when things gets bad.
Guys like Semedo, who is hugely dependant on emotions and his level of confidence.
Coutinho, the same story.
And it seems, Arthur, the same story.

So, even if EV is guilty, Arthur being THAT MUCH affected by a coach and subs is really not a sign of a too great mental strength.
I mean, there will be times when we won't be winning titles, and when media will turn on him and ask for him to get benched or sold (like what is happening to Dembele, Malcom, Umtiti, Coutinho, Rakitic this season).
What then, should we expect an even bigger dip in form, in moments when things will turn ugly and chaotic?

I am not saying that players shouldn't have emotions.
But this is one of the biggest clubs in the world.
A competition is strong and not everything around you will be perfect and in your favor.
You can't be affected THAT much by the first obstacle which came in your Barca's career.

Remember Samper. He was too emotional (cried in a locker room during some Barca's B matches and refused to play when they were facing a relegation since it was a too huge pressure for him).
He never made it as a player. Not only because of his mental strength, though, but still.
Bartra, by some reports, refused to play during Tito against Bayern, because he was scared and it was a too important match for him to handle a pressure.
He didn't make it. For 1000s of reasons, but still.
More recent, Andre Gomes and his interview about too much pressure.
Dybala, too much pressure, anxiety and panic attacks during matches.

On the other hand, you have another midfielder in Barca's team, who is probably less technical and shiny than Arthur.
But on the other hand, he has balls of steel, remember his 2 winning penalties in the 5th series at World cup against Denmark and a home team Russia?
This is really not a trolling post.
But seriously, do you think that someone who is overly emotional like Semedo, Coutinho, Samper, Bartra and similar could have done this in the moments when the stakes are this high?
I don't think so:

Anyway, Arthur will need to work on his mental strength and ability to risk slightly more, regardless of what EV thinks.

tl;dr

 

[Messigician]

I love BBZ's essays personally. Something unique and different not seen on other forums

 

[Potroh]

I am not saying that players shouldn't have emotions.

Just answering because our ever sophisticated BBZ has brought up the "emotionality" question.
As he put it, of course it is a broad simplification in itself, but he's trying to provoke a valid point - at least.

Coaches and psychologists usually do not differentiate between "emotional" and "non-emotional" players, rather they like to use the terms "sensitive", "pragmatic" and "result-oriented".

The typical sensitives are: Suarez, Messi, Dembele, Coutinho, Pique (and of course Neymar)
The typical pragmatics: Rakitic, Roberto, Alba, Busi (and the best example was Mascherano)
The typical result-oriented: Vidal, Rafinha, Malcom, Umtiti and Lenglet (Phuyol and Xavi)

I'm not certain in which box Arthur belongs to, but I'm also unsure about Semedo.
All in all, even if we put up broad categories like those, there are players who do not perform well when their "situation" is uncertain, while others like to "fight" for their places...

 

[aqua2nd]

I love BBZ's essays personally. Something unique and different not seen on other forums

I always pass the stats and read his conclusions only

 

[Arizona Scott]

Arthur hasn't been in his best since the hamstring, and his 2nd overuse related injury this year if I recall. It is perfectly reasonable, in fact smart, to not push him 90 minutes when he plays. Give Arthur a break, he has had a great 1st season and we want him to be a part of every big game we have left. We want to conserve him and use him wisely.

It will be the same when Dembele comes back, I am sure there will be gripes, instead of, you know, "why did blanky blank EV sub him out at the 75 minute mark when he looked explosive and added width!!!! (all CAPS)". Well maybe is not smart to ask him to finish out games he started as the injury risk gets way up the more you push. This isn't rocket science.

Well why does he not sub Busi, Rakitic, Alba, Suarez, Messi. Wah, not fair!! . Well they have a history of regularly playing 90 minutes without getting muscle/fatigued related injuries so it is a lower risk move to leave them out there vs others..

By the way, yes, it is a badge of honor to play your guts out for Barca for 60-70 minutes knowing you can get some relief and have the next guy come in. That is part of having a strong squad. This is how Arthur, Demeble, Arturo, Coutinho and Malcom should be used by and large. I would like for Busi, Rakitic, Suarez, Alba and perhaps even Messi to get major breaks in La Liga now--either by whole games off or playing 2/3 or 1/3 a match, but it is harder to do when their are more susceptiable players on the pitch.

As far as EV not having the "guts" to sub veterans, I seem to remember recently starting with Messi on the bench (before we wrapped up the league), and some rotations to Busi/Rakitic/Pique. Some of you must not have been watching.