Arthur
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
How do you know the coach instruction? Do you think EV told him "don't even dare to try key pass Arthur,I will sub you out" before games?
For a good passer his numbers is underwhelming in comparison to our midfielders
And the rest if his offense is lacking, even Busquets attempts more shots than him
Arthur first year has been good for a first year player (in both the club and Europe) but once he is held for higher standards -which should be the case next season- his current weaknesses is unacceptable and he should remove few of them
xXKonan
Senior Member
Sure Arthur has things he needs to improve on.
But let's get serious here do you think it's all his fault? Guys like Busi and Rakitic were lucky to have been coached by good coaches over the years while Arthur who's making his first foray into Europe is stuck playing under such a weak ass coach it's unreal.
It's actually hilarious how bad some guys on here are trying to make it look like It's Arthur's fault he's not improving and trying to absolve Valverde of all people a guy who has proven he isn't good enough to manage a team like ours because he somehow shithoused some trophies with us due to having Messi and playing against the worst Real and Atletico in years.
But let's get serious here do you think it's all his fault? Guys like Busi and Rakitic were lucky to have been coached by good coaches over the years while Arthur who's making his first foray into Europe is stuck playing under such a weak ass coach it's unreal.
It's actually hilarious how bad some guys on here are trying to make it look like It's Arthur's fault he's not improving and trying to absolve Valverde of all people a guy who has proven he isn't good enough to manage a team like ours because he somehow shithoused some trophies with us due to having Messi and playing against the worst Real and Atletico in years.
clemente
New member
He was playing completely different in Gremio, and was passing forward. Are you gonna tell me La Liga defenders are so organized and our teammates are just not as good as Gremio to help Arthur proceed forward?
xXKonan
Senior Member
You have to look at how poor our forwards are when it comes to movement these days.
Guys like Arthur, De Jong, etc thrive off movement but if the team isn't moving around especially the forwards they will struggle as they don't have many passing options forward is they are just standing and walking around.
We have been bitching about this since the start of the season when Messi and Suarez were just walking around and standing they don't want to move much while the LW of Cou/Dembele and Alba are the only real Outlets they have passing it to.
You have got to fix the off the ball movements from certain players to start fixing the problems. If not the problems will persist.
Potroh
New member
Obviously I don't and wouldn't know the instructions.
Nevertheless it's a viable possibility that a rather safety-oriented coach instructs a midfielder NOT to take risks, specially if possession counts the most in his eyes.
Key-passes become "key" if successful, otherwise the result is losing the ball.
There are many strict coaches out there, who would definitely sub a player out who doesn't follow his instructions. That's quite common.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Can you find a match when he is making forward passes, but don't post link from matches in Brasil when they play that regional championship against a 3rd division level of teams.
Try to find a match where he is making forward passes at Gremio.
Further, I have checked stats, 23 years old Arthur has 2 assists in his whole senior career according to Whoscored.
On average he needs more than 2400 minutes to make an assist.
Which is around 26-27 full matches.
Further, guys here say that our teammates don't move off the ball and thus Arthur can't make a key pass or assist.
But, the same as in Roberto vs Semedo debate:
How come that Rakitic has 7 assists this season, playing with the same teammates (who.don't move) as Arthur?
Vidal, also 7 assists.
Busi 2 assists.
Arthur, 1 assist.
So, wait:
Arthur's teammates are not moving.
And Raki's and Vidal's teammates ARE moving iff the ball?
EV has ruined Arthur.
Why hasn't he ruined Raki and Vidal and their assists?
And: EV told to Arthur: don't make forward passes.
But EV told to Raki and Vidal: you are allowed to try assists and key passes.
Furthet, according to Whoscored, Rakitic has 67 assists in his career.
Vidal has 55.
Arthur has 2.
In terms of goals and assists per minutes over the whole career:
Career stats, goals each:
346 minutes needed for 1 goal, Vidal
489 minutes needed, Rakitic
2418 minutes needed, Arthur
Assists, each:
474 minutes Rakitic
515 minutes Vidal
2418 minutes Arthur
As I often say, instead of 10 ifs and alibies, you can use Occam's razor and just realize that Arthur is very meh for Barca's standards in the attacking third.
Regarding a reply: he is young, he will learn it.
Has Halilovic improved his IQ flaws? No
Adama? No
Deulofeu? No
Has Denis improved his physique, defending, decisions? No
Has Semedo improved his attacking decisions? No
We don't have a crystal ball.
But there is a high chance that a play in the attacking third is not his natural skill.
clemente
New member
That's twice as much as Iniesta per season
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Not true.
Arthur 2017: 0 assists
Arthur 2018: 1 assist
Arthur 2019: 1 assist
Iniesta, for Barca:
2010: 5 assists
2011: 9 assists
2012: 10 assists
2013: 17 assists
2014: 10 assists
2015: 6 assists
2016: 2 assists
2017: 4 assists
2018: 4 assists
Or, since people are comparing him with Xavi:
2010: 16 assists
2011: 10 assists
2012: 8 assists
2013: 12 assists
2014: 5 assists
2015: 8 assists
Again, Arthur at Barca: 1 assist.
Career: 2 assists
What's next guys?
You will say that Xavi and Iniesta weren't making forward passes either?
Key passes:
Xavi
2015: 1,7
2014: 1,6
2013: 1,5
2012: 2,0
2011: 2,5
2010: 3,2 per match lol
Iniesta:
2018: 0,6
2017: 1,1
2016: 1,1
2015: 0,8
2014: 1,5
2013: 1,4
2012: 1,2
2011: 1,6
2010: 1,4
This season:
Vidal 0,7
Rakitic 0,5
Arthur 0,5
Busi 0,4
clemente
New member
He already showed this season that he can pass forward and very accurately, creatively, already ahead of your Rakitic in that area, not his fault that he has nobody to pass to. At Gremio you can just check any highlights, he is involved in attack and he knows hot to play it out.
Ronaldo gets almost the same assist statistic's as Messi, it's the most interpretive stat, one is an actual creator, other makes a choice to share a goal with someone from a 2v1 in a better position.
He is instructed to pass sideways, then players in front of him (Suarez, Mess) will never make a run in the box so passing there is pointless, and even when he does, its about 15% chance that Suarez will finish it, and he still managed to get 2 assists.
tacticvarium
New member
I think BBZ you are the one who is most obsessed with this dumb Arthur-Xavi comparison
Stop the BS!
I think anyone can see by now that Arthur is not even close to Xavi even in terms of their playing styles, not even Riquelme, Pirlo nor Xabi Alonso as well.
But that doesn't mean he is not a good asset to Barça.
It's always good to have someone who is decent on the ball and able to absorb the opponent's pressure even as a plan B / back-up player.
Stop the BS!
I think anyone can see by now that Arthur is not even close to Xavi even in terms of their playing styles, not even Riquelme, Pirlo nor Xabi Alonso as well.
But that doesn't mean he is not a good asset to Barça.
It's always good to have someone who is decent on the ball and able to absorb the opponent's pressure even as a plan B / back-up player.
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
No, and this was pointed out before he signed.
His forward passing was my biggest concern on him when we were interested.
So, it is either he doesn't play them, which is a problem.
Or he tries and fails, and it is a problem.
Second one is clearly not on coach, 1st one might be. But he is even doing it less than his teammates and he is supposed to be 2nd best passer in our midfield at worst.
This is a fair point, as long as it is taken into account when judging other midfielders we have.
LOL at people who put Arthur in the same sentence as Xavi or Iniesta. There is no valid comparison to be had in any circumstances between Arthur and the aforementioned players.
A prime Iniesta or Xavi under Valverde would still be light years better than Arthur under Pep.
Valverde has his issues, but replacing him with a forum favourite coach is not going to suddenly turn all our young players into gods.
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