Arthur

[aqua2nd]

Played quite well today but he really looked godly in a short period of the first half when he stood in crowded area of CV players and helped distributing the ball around.
Both him and De Jong are excellent in maintaining possession and evading pressing but I believe he is the best in moving the ball in tight space
Unfortunately our CMs are playing more vertical recently. We should have more dynamic and interplay between CMs

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

Because you need movement to create chances. This team has none. Also, the free kicks that Messi converted were obtained by Arthur and De Jong if I recall correctly.

An assist each for Arthur and De Jong it is then 😂

Honestly this is such a cop out. He's had Dembele Suarez Messi Fati and Griezmann to feed and has come up short. Are you saying all those 5 have poor movement? Arthur is a great player but he clearly needs to create more.

 

[serghei]

An assist each for Arthur and De Jong it is then ��

Honestly this is such a cop out. He's had Dembele Suarez Messi Fati and Griezmann to feed and has come up short. Are you saying all those 5 have poor movement? Arthur is a great player but he clearly needs to create more.

Dembele has been nothing but wildly inconsistent under Valverde, Messi and Suarez have very poor off the ball movement, Fati is a 17 year old kid and Griezmann is played off position.

But basically, yeah, pretty much two assists by them today. At least you got one thing right in that comment. I don't give a flying fuck whatever those websites you base your entire football knowledge on say about it.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

Dembele has been nothing but wildly inconsistent under Valverde, Messi and Suarez have very poor off the ball movement, Fati is a 17 year old kid and Griezmann is played off position.

But basically, yeah, pretty much two assists by them today. At least you got one thing right in that comment. I don't give a flying fuck whatever those websites you base your entire football knowledge on say about it.

Okay clarified. You genuinely think the person fouled for a successful 30 yard free kick gets an assist.

Clarified that Arthur's lack of creativity is the fault of Messi Suarez Fati Griez Dembele Coutinho Perez and Malcom. All 8 are at fault and not Arthur.

What's even funnier than the above though is that Mats has more over the top through ball assists this season than Arthur has ( possibly in his whole Barca career ). He didn't have a problem with Suarez's movement but Arthur does. 👍

 

[Rory]

I thought he played well, made some really good powerful dribbles from the midfield to the box and only just came up short except for the foul which lead to the messi freekick. I think again people aren't realising they've set higher standards for Arthur because truly they know he deserves to be here and so criticise him more.

After watching last nights game I'm starting to form the opinion we may need an attacking cm (ERIKSEN) as the last cm spot because I do agree there isn't enough interchange between the cm's in an attacking sense, and maybe enough isn't created by them. Hard to not think that would all change with a different manager though. Obviously also need a defensive style mid as well for squad depth and tactical flexibility.

I don't think there's a lot of movement up top, fati isn't a powerful runner he's more of a close quarters acceleration type of player, messi doesn't get in behind either. I watched closely Griezmann and I think he's unfairly criticised, the amount of times he made a decent run for a ball to be put over the top made me lose count. People might say (that's not the barca way) but he must have been instructed to do those types of runs and it's the same thing suarez spends the whole match doing, but doing rather poorly nowadays.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Okay clarified. You genuinely think the person fouled for a successful 30 yard free kick gets an assist.

Clarified that Arthur's lack of creativity is the fault of Messi Suarez Fati Griez Dembele Coutinho Perez and Malcom. All 8 are at fault and not Arthur.

What's even funnier than the above though is that Mats has more over the top through ball assists this season than Arthur has ( possibly in his whole Barca career ). He didn't have a problem with Suarez's movement but Arthur does. ��

This is basically our match 101, where Arthur or Dejong carries the ball and wave their hands around in desperation, because everyone is just standing there and waiting. It's not necessarily fault of other players, but coach, who instructs everybody to stand still and do nothing, while other person is in possession as a core of the 'game plan'. If you still didn't noticed this you're fucking retard and should swap to watching badminton.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

This is basically our match 101, where Arthur or Dejong carries the ball and wave their hands around in desperation, because everyone is just standing there and waiting. It's not necessarily fault of other players, but coach, who instructs everybody to stand still and do nothing, while other person is in possession as a core of the 'game plan'. If you still didn't noticed this you're fucking retard and should swap to watching badminton.

Another fragile insecure user who shakes in fear towards anyone with a differing opinion to himself. Until you stop exhibiting cowardice by speaking to me in a way you would not have the balls to, to my face, then please do not reply to any of my comments.

 

[Riordon]

Another fragile insecure user who shakes in fear towards anyone with a differing opinion to himself. Until you stop exhibiting cowardice by speaking to me in a way you would not have the balls to, to my face, then please do not reply to any of my comments.

Some of these guys overrate Arthur way too much and you can’t criticize aspect of his game otherwise you will hear all kind of shit, personal attack, new definitions of assist etc. I believe it’s the nostalgia with his Xavi-like locomotion.

I would say just leave it mate. When we get a new coach and Arthur is still shit creativity wise they will release themselves. One can ask himself if the problem is with anything else at Barca expect Arthur, why is his passing for Brazil the same? Why was he criticized for the same thing at Gremio?

They will release soon.

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

Some of these guys overrate Arthur way too much and you can’t criticize aspect of his game otherwise you will hear all kind of shit, personal attack, new definitions of assist etc. I believe it’s the nostalgia with his Xavi-like locomotion.

I would say just leave it mate. When we get a new coach and Arthur is still shit creativity wise they will release themselves. One can ask himself if the problem is with anything else at Barca expect Arthur, why is his passing for Brazil the same? Why was he criticized for the same thing at Gremio?

They will release soon.

Well said. You disagree with any of the opinions of the Barcaforum Club De Amigos and your subject to personal attacks. How many new users have been bullied in to agreeing with the Barcaforum Club De Amigos or bullied to stop posting for disagreeing with them with the use of personal attacks?

What a shambles, the same thing they attacks the Barca seniors for doing they do themselves here on a internet forum. Not going to work with me , told them many times, I carry on regardless.

The above user was saying Arthur is one of the best midfielders he HAS EVER SEEN. Says it all really.

 

[Riordon]

Well said. You disagree with any of the opinions of the Barcaforum Club De Amigos and your subject to personal attacks. How many new users have been bullied in to agreeing with the Barcaforum Club De Amigos or bullied to stop posting for disagreeing with them with the use of personal attacks?

What a shambles, the same thing they attacks the Barca seniors for doing they do themselves here on a internet forum. Not going to work with me , told them many times, I carry on regardless.

The above user was saying Arthur is one of the best midfielders he HAS EVER SEEN. Says it all really.

Yes, I saw that comment and for me it was so ridiculous I didn’t wanted to waste my time with debating it. This summer we will get a new coach and I’m sure Arthur passing will be the same. Then let’s see their excuses for him.

I don’t see Arthur as a potential starter. He is fine as a sub player though. De Jong, a CAM, and more defensive minded CM/DM with energy for me.

 

[serghei]

Okay clarified. You genuinely think the person fouled for a successful 30 yard free kick gets an assist.

Clarified that Arthur's lack of creativity is the fault of Messi Suarez Fati Griez Dembele Coutinho Perez and Malcom. All 8 are at fault and not Arthur.

What's even funnier than the above though is that Mats has more over the top through ball assists this season than Arthur has ( possibly in his whole Barca career ). He didn't have a problem with Suarez's movement but Arthur does. ��

Congratulations. You just leveled up from possible clueless hater, to certified clueless hater.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Another fragile insecure user who shakes in fear towards anyone with a differing opinion to himself. Until you stop exhibiting cowardice by speaking to me in a way you would not have the balls to, to my face, then please do not reply to any of my comments.

You don't exibit any opinion, dunce.

 

[serghei]

Played quite well today but he really looked godly in a short period of the first half when he stood in crowded area of CV players and helped distributing the ball around.
Both him and De Jong are excellent in maintaining possession and evading pressing but I believe he is the best in moving the ball in tight space
Unfortunately our CMs are playing more vertical recently. We should have more dynamic and interplay between CMs

Yea, exactly. Was something like a 10 min. period or so later in the first half, when he and De Jong kind of synchronized themselves and were moving fluidly and distributing the play. They were very connected between each other in that brief sequence. Probably a freak accident under Valverde, since that was 'corrected' soon, as they started to go wide again and didn't meet each other as often.

Under a proper manager they would be way more in sync, playing in that manner, a manner which we only barely see a glimpse of under the current mess. Since the purpose of a midfield 3 is to play like a unit, not splattered over a huge radius. Barely being able to exchange one twos or do the one-touch passing football we're famous for.

 

[mc_lovin]

I don’t see Arthur as a potential starter. He is fine as a sub player though. De Jong, a CAM, and more defensive minded CM/DM with energy for me.

I couldnt disagree more. I wouldnt trade Arthur for any of the upcoming CAMs (Olmo, Havertz, Ruiz) for example. Hes a better midfielder than all of them. The attacking contribution is the easier part to learn or more precisely to adapt to (as seen this season).

 

[xXKonan]

I couldnt disagree more. I wouldnt trade Arthur for any of the upcoming CAMs (Olmo, Havertz, Ruiz) for example. Hes a better midfielder than all of them. The attacking contribution is the easier part to learn or more precisely to adapt to (as seen this season).

You're arguing with a guy who thinks Dani Ceballos of all people is better than Arthur, due to his performances vs kids in the U-21 WC/Euros. Even though he's turning out to be quite the flop at Arsenal as well.

He will keep finding some ways to make Arthur sound like some sub player and get all upset one he gets praised for his performances. Don't get me started on the dumb Ernesto Valverde novelty account above either.