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Also Xavi reached those heights a bit later down his career.
Arthur
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Also Xavi reached those heights a bit later down his career.
serghei
Senior Member
Being directly involved in a goal means scoring or assisting, not getting fouled in a dangerous area let alone passing to a player that wins a penalty or foul.
Love how any touch he has before a goal eventually gets scored is counted as an assist or goal involvement. Pathetic. Fudge the numbers and then daftly proclaim he is dominating the stat sheet.
He has been mediocre creatively for quite a few matches now. Not only stat-wise, but from what I have seen on the pitch as well. He was much better before the international break.
Lol, obtaining a dangerous freekick when you have Messi. And we end up scoring from that freekick. That is a textbook direct contribution son. Passing to a player who is fouled in the box is also a direct contribution in the offensive register.
It's not 'any touch he has before a goal is eventually scored'. It's the last pass before a goal is scored or the action that directly leads to the goal by way of obtaining a dangerous set piece which is converted.
xXKonan
Senior Member
Stop what?Stop it man
What he said isn't really wrong at all. He won us the Freekick that Messi ended up converting.
serghei
Senior Member
xXKonan
Senior Member
Must have been a ghost or something.No he didn't. That was somebody else.
Yes, but that is not "textbook direct contribution" to a goal. That only applies to goals and actual assists. I would have no problem with the lad stating Arthur brings more to the game than basic statistics and citing those instances as examples, but attempting to pass them off as actual stats and building some rubbish argument based off them is not appreciated.
When your assertion is Arthur is destroying the stat guys' narrative and your proof consists of twisting the definition of what a goal contribution is to fit your narrative, then yes, you are being disingenuous.
Nope. That's your subjective definition designed to further your narrative about Arthur. Awarding assists to the player that actually wins a scored penalty and to players that produce a rebound off the keeper that is then scored has been debated before, but not one of your utterly absurd goal contribution claims have ever been seriously argued until now. They aren't credible arguments let alone facts.
Not a single credible stat-tracking organization agrees with your definition. Try again.
serghei
Senior Member
I said direct contributions you tool. Obtaining a free kick which is converted into a goal is exactly that.
Aye.
Just a week ago you were trying to pass off Arthur's pass to Semedo as an actual assist and added it to his tally of verifiable assists. Caught with your pants down now and forced to retreat.
Remember the own goal Suarez caused at Old Trafford in the CL Quarters via a deflected header? According to my definition what a goal is Suarez deserves credit for that and I will continue to count it as a goal in further arguments.
What CL away goal scoring drought? Doesn't exist in my head and that's all that matters! Forget objectivity and actual sources.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Mental gymnastics?
More like: Arthur, Barcaforum=a topic with the most crazy and incredible excuses for everything ever made.
He can't make a pass=all 6 attackers are bad and not moving.
He has stamina problems=that is because he runs like crazy, so he gets tired earlier.
Low number of interceptions=that is because he is pressuring the opponents so hard and then other teammates are making simple interceptions due to his hard pressing work.
He is a very good player.
But currently 200-300% overrated by Barcaforum.
And currently fans are still leaving in dreamland and in a denial how he doesn't have flaws and everything else is a reason for his flaws.
Basically, he has a status and "Barcaforum shield" of Dembele from his first two seasons.
Remember:
1. EV is dumb for not playing a generational talent
2. he is making bad passes because he is too fast for his teammates
3. Suarez is yelling at him because Suarez is an idiot
4. Sport is hating him for no reason and are inventing stories all the time. Why do they hate this awesome young lad?
5. EV was guilty for some of his injuries
So, fine, with Arthur we have 2 tribes now:
1. mental gymnasts
2. and a cult who lives in a delusion, and pulling knives to anyone who dares to say: guys, this is not reality
So, a nice fight between 2 tribes where each have interesting and unique mental problems
serghei
Senior Member
I rephrased it especially for guys like you.
xXKonan
Senior Member
Nah dude you are just delusional.Mental gymnastics?
More like: Arthur, Barcaforum=a topic with the most crazy and incredible excuses for everything ever made.
He can't make a pass=all 6 attackers are bad and not moving.
He has stamina problems=that is because he runs like crazy, so he gets tired earlier.
Low number of interceptions=that is because he is pressuring the opponents so hard and then other teammates are making simple interceptions due to his hard pressing work.
He is a very good player.
But currently 200-300% overrated by Barcaforum.
And currently fans are still leaving in dreamland and in a denial how he doesn't have flaws and everything else is a reason for his flaws.
Basically, he has a status and "Barcaforum shield" of Dembele from his first two seasons.
Remember:
1. EV is dumb for not playing a generational talent
2. he is making bad passes because he is too fast for his teammates
3. Suarez is yelling at him because Suarez is an idiot
4. Sport is hating him for no reason and are inventing stories all the time. Why do they hate this awesome young lad?
5. EV was guilty for some of his injuries
So, fine, with Arthur we have 2 tribes now:
1. mental gymnasts
2. and a cult who lives in a delusion, and pulling knives to anyone who dares to say: guys, this is not reality
So, a nice fight between 2 tribes where each have interesting and unique mental problems
Part of the weird cult on here that Valverde is somehow not the biggest problem with this team. Oh can't forget you just flat out don't like Arthur because he stole Rakitic's starting spot on the team. Bonus points you don't like him because he isn't some tall nor physical beast.
Dude you made your points clear well enough that you don't like Arthur, and willing to go so far into using interception stats to prove this team is garbage with him on the pitch,
Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
Banned
There are no Arthur haters. There are people here, like me, who think he is a great player that needs to be more creative. Facts back that up. The forum De Amigos just twist that into a narrative that people are hating on him in order to garner support because they can't stand on their own.
They keep talking about Valverde lovers and apologists too, even though those don't exist either.
You will get used to the way they roll after a while.
Gnidrologist
Senior Member
It's obviously we have bad squad. Let's get rid of Arthur and bunch of other 'non creative' players (which could include anyone bar Messi) and replace them with Slavia Prague guys. They obviously have more quality in their squad as they had no problem playing organized passing game and create chances. Much more creative players. Valverde could do wonders with them.
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