Arthur

[DonAK]

It's the dynamic in our team that is different. If we had 3 Braithwaite's up front, our midfielders would up their assists and key passes by 500%. The reality is that Messi is the player that filters these passes in our team. That's typical of teams that play with no10s.

That's not remotely close to being true serghei.

It's a skill itself that not every midfielder have.

 

[serghei]

That's not remotely close to being true serghei.

It's a skill itself that not every midfielder have.

I have no doubt it's true. Messi and Suarez feed off each other and make very few runs. This means they are players giving service (very often between them), and not receiving it.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Lol, let's just go after a PSG player again, because what the fuck... it's all too funny... .

Exactly. We can't sign those guys.

 

[JamDav1982]

Arthur turned away from multiple chances to play riskier passes in that game.

Rakitic was trying them in first half even if not making them.

It is not all about there being no chances to make those passes. Or no chance to drive at defence. Or no chance to switch play.

Also Fati and Messi were often in space as hugging touchline and none of the midfielders seemed to be capable to drop and switch the play.

Arthur doesnt show nearly enough range of passing or abiity to move ball forward enough and he needs to improve on those big time.

 

[DonAndres]

We need to find ourselves a younger version of Vidal, and midfield is well set.

Yeah I totally agree. Pace and space is the new dynamic of total football, slow 80% possession the way Setien likes is stuff of dinosaur days and the likes of Arthur can't work in those gaps the way Xavi/Iniesta did. Wijnaldum does great for Liverpool. Donny Van de Beek is a great player in this mold too.

It's because of our insistence on slow buildup that the defenses get so congested and we can't break through. Midfielders who raise the pace of play and don't dwell on the ball but are still good supporting outlets are extremely valuable system players.

Especially when our chance creation is centered around Messi, we should have players that complement that rather than too much overlap.

 

[Horatio]

The STD hasnt done him any favours. Needs his confidence back asafp.

 

[DonAK]

I have no doubt it's true. Messi and Suarez feed off each other and make very few runs. This means they are players giving service (very often between them), and not receiving it.

Someone like Cesc would have made at least 3-4 such passes tonight. The likes of Arthur have the odd through ball in him, but most of the time they could stare a player down and play it safely or fail with their execution.

 

[te amo barca]

His and FdJ?s range of passing is a problem. Both of them are mediocre at best at long balls, even in such simple actions as switching the ball to the other flank.

 

[DonAK]

His and FdJ?s range of passing is a problem. Both of them are mediocre at best at long balls, even in such simple actions as switching the ball to the other flank.

That's another problem I didn't even think about. When I watch Bayern, Man City, heck even Chelsea their CBs and Midfielders are able to make a quick switch while our players are doing it in slow-mo.

 

[serghei]

That's another problem I didn't even think about. When I watch Bayern, Man City, heck even Chelsea their CBs and Midfielders are able to make a quick switch while our players are doing it in slow-mo.

Again, it's something that we choose to do less because of objective reasons. Nothing to do with player quality. These switches aren't that hard to do for Barca, Madrid level players.

 

[DonAK]

Again, it's something that we choose to do less because of objective reasons. Nothing to do with player quality.

Of course it got to do with player quality too. There's plenty of examples of our midfielders not choosing to pass the ball to a player making a good run.

When Messi can drop down deep and make those same passes what is their excuse?

They don't even try.

 

[Horatio]

Again, it's something that we choose to do less because of objective reasons. Nothing to do with player quality. These switches aren't that hard to do for Barca, Madrid level players.

Objectively being a pussy.

 

[JamDav1982]

Again, it's something that we choose to do less because of objective reasons. Nothing to do with player quality. These switches aren't that hard to do for Barca, Madrid level players.

Pique and Lenglet were stepping up and making those switches and can see times where they are on and likes of Arthur turns away.

When the GK and two CBs are switching the play more than midfielders it shows it is on and there if the player has ability and not against tactics of team.

Rakitc as well when dropped deeper after Busi was off tries those switches more.

There are opportunities to do it much more than it happens.

Messi switches it as well.

 

[te amo barca]

Again, it's something that we choose to do less because of objective reasons. Nothing to do with player quality. These switches aren't that hard to do for Barca, Madrid level players.

Arthur and FdJ do not do it because they are that kind of a player. Arthur does not do it for Brazil, did not for Gremio. Same case with de Jong for Netherlands and Ajax

 

[JamDav1982]

Arthur and FdJ do not do it because they are that kind of a player. Arthur does not do it for Brazil, did not for Gremio. Same case with de Jong for Netherlands and Ajax

I have said this before as well.

Arthur looks the exact same player for Brazil as he does for Barca. It works for them more as they dont have another player really that does what he does but Barca do.