Arthur

[serghei]

The Guardiola-era Barca might have inspired a younger generation of midfielders who excel at keeping possession, shielding the ball, and making all these short lateral passes without developing any of other skills needed for midfielders.

Long-term it's difficult to see a successful Barca with a midfield featuring both De Jong and Arthur as starters.

You act as if Guardiola learn that stuff from some other planet. It's Barcelona that tought Guardiola the positional game, not the other way around.

 

[Sailor Mars]

You act as if Guardiola learn that stuff from some other planet. It's Barcelona that tought Guardiola the positional game, not the other way around.

Wasn't talking about Guardiola. I'm a proponent of the total football style philosophy.

I was talking about players who watched that Barca team really only focused on learning the press resistance and short passing game.

There's a lot of other fundamental needed for midfielders.

Arthur has struggled with showing much else.

Tha

 

[serghei]

Wasn't talking about Guardiola. I'm a proponent of the total football style philosophy.

I was talking about players who watched that Barca team really only focused on learning the press resistance and short passing game.

There's a lot of other fundamental needed for midfielders.

Arthur has struggled with showing much else.

Tha

I understand man, and you have a point, partially. However, there are players and players, each with their own profile. Arthur is great for this specific type of football, which is usually our football.

Arthur is this type of player. Close ball control, press resistance, good technique, good short passing, very few errors, smart movement, good dribbling. These are qualities not many players have, maybe 2-3 in Europe with this combinations of skills. Just like other players have qualities Arthur doesn't have, like physicality, end product, defensive discipline, speed, panache. And so on.

What I'm against is tendencies like the ones happening all the time on forums. X players is shit just because the qualities he has are the ones some users don't like, or don't value.

Like, say if I don't like rap music, I go on to say, man Eminem, or Dr. Dre or whatever, is trash. The dude can't sing to save his life. If I do that, it will say more about me, about how shallow my understanding of rap music is, than of Eminem. Similar to Arthur. Those who think he is crap, have a poor understanding of positional football. And this is not meant as an insult, not in the slightest. It simply means they don't invest time and they are not curious to find out more about a subject.

 

[JamDav1982]

I understand man, and you have a point, partially. However, there are players and players, each with their own profile. Arthur is great for this specific type of football, which is usually our football.

Arthur is this type of player. Close ball control, press resistance, good technique, good short passing, very few errors, smart movement, good dribbling. These are qualities not many players have, maybe 2-3 in Europe with this combinations of skills. Just like other players have qualities Arthur doesn't have, like physicality, end product, defensive discipline, speed, panache. And so on.

What I'm against is tendencies like the ones happening all the time on forums. X players is shit just because the qualities he has are the ones some users don't like, or don't value.

Like, say if I don't like rap music, I go on to say, man Eminem is trash. The dude can't sing to save his life. If I do that, it will say more about me, about how shallow my understanding of rap music, than of Eminem. Similar to Arthur. Those who think he is crap, have a poor understanding of positional football. And this is not meant as an insult, not in the slightest. It simply means they don't invest time and they are not curious to find out more about a subject.

Arthur has not shown anything really for Brazil and Barca to show he is great for Barcas style. Unless he develops a lot on aspects of his game.

At first he looked perfect but as time goes by he looks one dimensional and not having nearly enough impact on or off the ball.

Other than being good when pressed but nowhere near to extent of top players who use it to create an attacking moment either.

His passing has been shown to be nothing but average at best and his technique by and large does not look great either.

He has been a decent signing worth more than paid but he needs to develop massively or wont last long.

 

[serghei]

Arthur has not shown anything really for Brazil and Barca to show he is great for Barcas style.

Other than being good when pressed but nowhere near to extent of top players who use it to create an attacking moment either.

His passing has been shown to be nothing but average at best and his technique by and large does not look great either.

He has been a decent signing worth more than paid but he needs to develop massively or wont last long.

You always do this. Like I said, I disagree. These posts aren't meant for you. You're like a vegetarian, and I'm a beef burger commercial. Just ignore me in this subject.

I saw in that discussion about Semedo's role in the Madrid goal (the Vinicius play), that we have different views about football.

 

[Neeraj]

I feel like Arthur has somewhat got worse and worse, the more time he spends here. When he first showed up, it wasn't just his press resistance that was great, he was also very good at carrying the ball out from deep into the attacking third, he showed good passing and general game awareness. Somehow, through our bland football and the combination of Valverde and Setien, I think he has regressed a lot. It's hard to show progression when the team itself isn't progressing unless you're Messi though, so I will still give him some more time before making a judgement call on him.

 

[serghei]

I feel like Arthur has somewhat got worse and worse, the more time he spends here. When he first showed up, it wasn't just his press resistance that was great, he was also very good at carrying the ball out from deep into the attacking third, he showed good passing and general game awareness. Somehow, through our bland football and the combination of Valverde and Setien, I think he has regressed a lot. It's hard to show progression when the team itself isn't progressing unless you're Messi though, so I will still give him some more time before making a judgement call on him.

I'm also not happy about his progression. But at the same time, he is talented no doubt, and if things change, he can be a top player for us. He's young. If he'd be 28 instead of 23, his best move would be to leave.

If say he'd spend 2-3 years under an elite manager in a well drilled team with a cohesive system where everyone is doing their job according to the tactical plan, he'd improve a lot.

That's the thing about Arthur and partially De Jong. They've not had the luck of arriving in the best of times for young players. The club is built in the opposite direction comparing with their profile.

 

[El Gato]

You always do this. Like I said, I disagree. These posts aren't meant for you. You're like a vegetarian, and I'm a beef burger commercial. Just ignore me in this subject.

I saw in that discussion about Semedo's role in the Madrid goal (the Vinicius play), that we have different views about football.

You say it as if having a view based upon an objectively shit evidence (to which you most often say "I don't agree it's shit" ) is worth anything and it's a matter of taste lol. Time and time again you've shown you hold non-descript positions based on vague terminology and when somebody questions you on it you discourage them from posting further as if to say "leave me alone". Haha. Typical dogmatist that can't be convinced when evidence is staring him in the face. Even reflected by the type of player he likes i.e. anyone that fits the model conjured up in the head of a Cruyffista-Pep fanboy.

 

[serghei]

You say it as if having a view based upon an objectively shit evidence (to which you most often say "I don't agree it's shit" ) is worth anything and it's a matter of taste lol. Time and time again you've shown you hold non-descript positions based on vague terminology and when somebody questions you on it you discourage them from posting further as if to say "leave me alone". Haha. Typical dogmatist that can't be convinced when evidence is staring him in the face. Even reflected by the type of player he likes i.e. anyone that fits the model conjured up in the head of a Cruyffista-Pep fanboy.

Is that your best attempt to insult me? .

Gold, coming from a poster who trashes Benzema who is objectively the best offensive player of Real Madrid.

 

[El Gato]

Funny how you think that was meant as an insult isn't it?

Gold, coming from a poster who trashes Benzema who is objectively the best offensive player of Real Madrid.

Incorrect.

 

[JamDav1982]

You always do this. Like I said, I disagree. These posts aren't meant for you. You're like a vegetarian, and I'm a beef burger commercial. Just ignore me in this subject.

I saw in that discussion about Semedo's role in the Madrid goal (the Vinicius play), that we have different views about football.

I will respond to who I like.

Put me on block if dont like it.

Yes the Semedo discussion was very revealing.

 

[serghei]

Funny how you think that was meant as an insult isn't it?

Well, it's either a decent insult, or a clueless post. Take your pick.

 

[serghei]

I will respond to who I like.

Put me on block if dont like it.

Yes the Semedo discussion was very revealing.

How mature....

Yes, the Semedo discussion was very revealing both for you and for Wolfe.

Wolfe's argument was something like "Benzema is crap, let him receive between the lines at will because he's crap and he won't do anything". . You weren't far off.

 

[JamDav1982]

How mature....

Yes, the Semedo discussion was very revealing both for you and for Wolfe.

How mature?

You are the one complaining about getting responded to and there is an easy solution to it.

Indeed it was.

No I was telling you why Semedo following out player and leaving gaps in back four is bad defending when defending deep and narrow... which it 100% is and led to a goal.

What on earth you wanting to back over that for? Bored?

 

[serghei]

How mature?

You are the one complaining about getting responded to and there is an easy solution to it.

Indeed it was.

No, I just find it amusing how hard you try to respond to someone who clearly doesn't agree with your opinion on the matter. And has expressed this before plenty of times.