Arthur

[DonAndres]

They had the luxury of winning titles. After that is done and we enter a spiral of no titles, and bad seasons sporting-wise, heat is going to get massive. It's like a rope that is getting thinner and thinner until it breaks. And no economics will save them then.

Title-wise, we have had successful seasons almost every year in the last decade.

2010 - La Liga
2011 - La Liga + CL
2012 - Copa del Rey
2013 - La Liga
2014 - Nothing
2015 - La Liga + Copa + CL
2016 - La Liga
2017 - Copa del Rey
2018 - La Liga + Copa
2019 - La Liga

1 trophyless season in a decade. And only 3 seasons in the last decade without a big title. This is their cover.

Yeah, and this trophy drought will come soon. I do not consider La Liga to be an impressive team achievement whatsoever because they have almost completely relied on the laurels of Messi to drag this team to Liga titles year after year through sheer individual will.

The sporting project that they've been able to produce outside/complementary of Messi's influence had like 1.5 good years between 14/15 and 15/16.

 

[serghei]

Yeah, and this trophy drought will come soon. I do not consider La Liga to be an impressive team achievement whatsoever because they have almost completely relied on the laurels of Messi to drag this team to Liga titles year after year through sheer individual will.

The sporting project that they've been able to produce outside/complementary of Messi's influence had like 1.5 good years between 14/15 and 15/16.

In a way, great management is able to use a golden cycle to ensure a long domination period, by noticing dangerous pattern as they start to happen. If you have a sleeping board that is just happy to win titles, while seeing the problems and doing nothing, there is a danger, a real danger, to enter a bad period of several years before you build something new again.

It's like winning the lottery sort of, but instead of using your brain and investing the money into a business to gain more money, you just sleep on the money, being wasteful. If you do that, you will be in trouble when money dry out.

We are doing such a poor job rebuilding that we will need to hit the jackpot with some transfers and the next manager. Or else the rebuilding will be very tough because the ambitions of the club are the highest possible.

 

[JamDav1982]

In a way, great management is able to use a golden cycle to ensure a long domination period, by noticing dangerous pattern as they start to happen. If you have a sleeping board that is just happy to win titles, while seeing the problems and doing nothing, there is a danger, a real danger, to enter a bad period of several years before you build something new again.

It's like winning the lottery sort of but instead of using your brain and investing the money into a business to gain more money, you just sleep on the money, being wasteful. If you do that, you will be in trouble when money dry out.

We are doing such a poor job rebuilding that we will need to hit the jackpot with some transfers and the next manager. Or else the rebuilding will be very tough because the ambitions of the club are the highest possible.

Barca are not going to enter a bad period of several years and every single top team has periods when have to rebuild.

These old players have gone on too long but this 'next AC Milan' idea is nowhere close. Barca will be fine if get it right when time comes to rebuild. If do it properly can happen very quickly.

 

[serghei]

Barca are not going to enter a bad period of several years and every single top team has periods when have to rebuild.

These old players have gone on too long but this 'next AC Milan' idea is nowhere close. Barca will be fine if get it right when time comes to rebuild. If do it properly can happen very quickly.

Sure, but the period can be longer or shorter. It's best that it is as short as possible. 1-2 years. The club has the means to shorten that transition, but unfortunately, not the minds to do it.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, and this trophy drought will come soon. I do not consider La Liga to be an impressive team achievement whatsoever because they have almost completely relied on the laurels of Messi to drag this team to Liga titles year after year through sheer individual will.

The sporting project that they've been able to produce outside/complementary of Messi's influence had like 1.5 good years between 14/15 and 15/16.

Folk claim Messi does it all himself than blame everyone else but him when goes wrong. Cant have it all ways.

Barca have had some of best players in the world to win their trophies and complete nonsense to claim Messi does it all himself.

He has been the best player in very good squads for most part.

 

[serghei]

Folk claim Messi does it all himself than blame everyone else but him when goes wrong. Cant have it all ways.

Barca have had some of best players in the world to win their trophies and complete nonsense to claim Messi does it all himself.

He has been the best player in very good squads for most part.

This is probably the only topic where we seem to agree completely.

 

[DonAndres]

These past years basically have been our AC Milan/Man United type of era. The difference is that we have Messi who drags this team to levels of success we have no business being in, and that Barca are willing to outspend most teams in Europe.

There is absolutely no argument against the clear and massively significant sporting decline that we have seen under this board, and the obvious dozens of bad decisions they have made along the way in this past decade.

 

[JamDav1982]

Sure, but the period can be longer or shorter. It's best that it is as short as possible. 1-2 years.

Even Man Utd who had Fergie as the king of weeding out players early doors and man management could take 2-3 seasons.

Barca will be fine. It is just frustrating when would like to see it happen earlier.

 

[Jadentheman]

Why would Gremio get the last laugh?

Arthur is not as promising as first appeared. Showed overtime he was immature off pitch, unfit on it and fairly one dimensional.

He has himself to blame more than anyone else.

Because you just know Gremio has a clause stipulating that they get some money out of this deal. And even if they don't they still sold a player for far more than what he is (apparently) worth.

These past years basically have been our AC Milan/Man United type of era. The difference is that we have Messi who drags this team to levels of success we have no business being in, and that Barca are willing to outspend most teams in Europe.

There is absolutely no argument against the clear and massively significant sporting decline that we have seen under this board, and the obvious dozens of bad decisions they have made along the way in this past decade.

Once Messi leaves this club will lose it's current world status. Barca will coast on reputation for like two or three seasons then all those bandwagon fans will jump off to the newest and hottest team that is winning or has the world's best player. (All this assuming Neymrar isn't coming)

 

[JamDav1982]

These past years basically have been our AC Milan/Man United type of era. The difference is that we have Messi who drags this team to levels of success we have no business being in, and that Barca are willing to outspend most teams in Europe.

There is absolutely no argument against the clear and massively significant sporting decline that we have seen under this board, and the obvious dozens of bad decisions they have made along the way in this past decade.

No it hasnt.

Neymar, Suarez, Busquets, Pique, Alba, Alves MATS have all been world class at time in last few years.

It is not about Messi just deciding to drag an mediocre team to success at all. He cant do that no player can.

 

[Horatio]

When people say ?messi does it all by himsel? theyre talking in hyperbole.
No viewer with the most basic understanding of football believes everything is done by a single player. But its true messi has been carrying Barca for a very long time now. And he is the player capable of creating the most out of the least.

 

[JamDav1982]

Because you just know Gremio has a clause stipulating that they get some money out of this deal. And even if they don't they still sold a player for far more than what he is (apparently) worth.

Why would Arthur going to Juve for 70m make Gremio happy about selling him for more than worth when paid 30m?

 

[DonAndres]

Folk claim Messi does it all himself than blame everyone else but him when goes wrong. Cant have it all ways.

Barca have had some of best players in the world to win their trophies and complete nonsense to claim Messi does it all himself.

He has been the best player in very good squads for most part.

It isn't having it both ways. In La Liga his individual effort is enough to carry this team on his back. When it comes to Europe and things go wrong, it's because he can't do enough on his own against the more formidable adversity. Could he have done better in those circumstances? Sure, but you can only go so far asking one guy to overcome every massive obstacle when it comes to playing the best teams in Europe.

 

[JamDav1982]

When people say ?messi does it all by himsel? theyre talking in hyperbole.
No viewer with the most basic understanding of football believes everything is done by a single player. But its true messi has been carrying Barca for a very long time now. And he is the player capable of creating the most out of the least.

He is Barcas best player and best on ball ever.

Other players have contributed massively and it is underplayed to try and make it all about Messi at times.

 

[Jadentheman]

Why would Arthur going to Juve for 70m make Gremio happy about selling him for more than worth when paid 30m?

I thought it was like 10M my bad. I was just running on that money laundering rumor that was discussed a few pages back.