Arthur

[Birdy]

No you are being dense.

I said I compared them today because that one poster tried to make out Arthur takes more riksy passes than Xavi and in past when comparisons made.

Regardless if ever think should compare them then will.

I made clear I am not talking only about this point brought by Bobo, but about the general attitude of some posters here towards Arthur, including you, which can be witnessed in the last 100 pages of this thread

 

[JamDav1982]

I made clear I am not talking only about this point brought by Bobo, but about the general attitude of some posters here towards Arthur, including you, which can be witnessed in the last 100 pages of this thread

Yeah go back over the 100 pages and see where you went wrong on Arthur and when folk arguing back about comparisons to Xavi.

Gone from arguing for Arthur to just hurt about folk not rating him then moaning about Xavi comparisons with strawman backwards arguments.

You intially brought it up due to comparisons today clearly but got it wrong so back pedalling on that one and claiming yiu randomly brought it up due to debates from months ago....

Anyway move on. Block me or stay out the thread before trying to tell folk who they can and cant compare.

 

[Birdy]

Yeah go back over the 100 pages and see where you went wrong on Arthur and when folk arguing back about comparisons to Xavi.

Gone from arguing for Arthur to just hurt about folk not rating him then moaning about Xavi comparisons with strawman backwards arguments.

You intially brought it up due to comparisons today clearly but got it wrong so back pedalling on that one and claiming yiu randomly brought it up due to debates from months ago....

Anyway move on. Block me or stay out the thread before trying to tell folk who they can and cant compare.

I am not hurt about anything mate.
I had my views on Arthur, and my criticism toward him was not so focused on his vision, but on other lacks.

But don't play smart: You are fantasizing back pedallings, while I am still on the same page since I started posting on this thread today:
You guys (including you) hold ONLY Arthur - and not other Barca players - to Xavi standards.
NOT ONLY today (in reference to Bobo's post), but every now and then you beat to death the point that Arthur does not have Xavi's vision marred with causal hate about how crap he is (and it's more than 100 pages. The guy was transferred out July, and from July until we played Juve it came up again and again, with you being main force behind every such wave of criticism, how he sucks compared to Xavi)

I don't think that's accidental or occasional. And you just admitted that you do that when seeing fit.
Hence, what's the problem?
That's what I just pointed out, together with the reason IMO you are doing that -> you are super biased against him, unlike many other players.

 

[JamDav1982]

I am not hurt about anything mate.
I had my views on Arthur, and my criticism toward him was not so focused on his vision, but on other lacks.

But don't play smart: You are fantasizing back pedallings, while I am still on the same page since I started posting on this thread today:
You guys (including you) hold ONLY Arthur - and not other Barca players - to Xavi standards.
NOT ONLY today (in reference to Bobo's post), but every now and then you beat to death the point that Arthur does not have Xavi's vision marred with causal hate about how crap he is (and it's more than 100 pages. The guy was transferred out July, and from July until we played Juve it came up again and again, with you being main force behind every such wave of criticism, how he sucks compared to Xavi)

I don't think that's accidental or occasional. And you just admitted that you do that when seeing fit.
Hence, what's the problem?
That's what I just pointed out, together with the reason IMO you are doing that -> you are super biased against him, unlike many other players.

Being dense again.

Arthur is often compared to Xavi and again today... but aye nothing to do with you calling it wrong today and just a random comment about debates from months back.

Block me or dont open the thread if so hurt by comments.

Anyway you have been told so I am oot of this one and your latest pathetic ramblings.

 

[Morten]

Isn't Arthur known for his questionable stamina?
Xavi by contrast outrun everybody almost every game.

 

[Horatio]

Isn't Arthur known for his questionable stamina?

Not according to Valverde haters. For anyone else: yes.

 

[serghei]

Not according to Valverde haters. For anyone else: yes.

What does this have to do with Valverde?

Isn't Arthur known for his questionable stamina?
Xavi by contrast outrun everybody almost every game.

He has a bit Xavi's style, but lacks key elements that were very present in Xavi's game, in all areas: especially physical and mentality areas.

Yea, Xavi was a motor that kept running all game and dictated the rhythm without interruption for 90 minutes.

 

[Joan]

All the players mentioned in this thread have better vision and are more creative than Arthur. KdB, Pedri, Modric, Frenkie, Kroos.. even Rabiot. People compare him to Xavi because of style, not quality.

A fraud, since he promised in the beginning. According to the forum's specialist on the matter.

 

[Morten]

Anyway, when was the last time Brazil had a world class CM, not CAM or DM, but CM?
Never felt like their strong suit, really.

 

[Bobo32]

What does this have to do with Valverde?



He has a bit Xavi's style, but lacks key elements that were very present in Xavi's game, in all areas: especially physical and mentality areas.

Yea, Xavi was a motor that kept running all game and dictated the rhythm without interruption for 90 minutes.

I remember hearing someone from Barcelona pointing to this as Xavis sign: his relentless running. It is true he was a running machine, but I'd rather point to his positional sense, his hips, his perfectionism and his patience. He also had great technique and great vision, but that wasn't what set him apart, as I have argued.

 

[Birdy]

Being dense again.

Arthur is often compared to Xavi and again today... but aye nothing to do with you calling it wrong today and just a random comment about debates from months back.

Block me or dont open the thread if so hurt by comments.

Anyway you have been told so I am oot of this one and your latest pathetic ramblings.

Or brought up by you (and others) not in earnest, but just to create another occasion to bash on him. 'When seeing fit' LOL

Nice running away instead of conceding my point.
Typical of your reactions, which is the only pathetic thing in this argument.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not a patch on Xavi.

Will never make varsity.

 

[serghei]

I remember hearing someone from Barcelona pointing to this as Xavis sign: his relentless running. It is true he was a running machine, but I'd rather point to his positional sense, his hips, his perfectionism and his patience. He also had great technique and great vision, but that wasn't what set him apart, as I have argued.

His vision was as high as it gets for a CM. Technique as well (for his position). IMO he could execute every pass in the book. It was only a matter of what solutions he wanted to pick, but IMO, I found myself, when looking back at replays, and if he didn't choose a certain pass, 9 times out of 10, the pass was not on for anyone else bar maybe Messi.

If I were to find weaknesses, he didn't have a great 1 vs 1 dribbling, as in take-on ability. Shooting ability was good, but not world-class level, usually didn't strike it very hard. He had great ball-control but mostly as a weapon to shield the ball, protect it, and fight-off pressure. Basically, to not let himself be caged or closed-down by anyone.

 

[Windhook]

His vision was as high as it gets for a CM. Technique as well (for his position). IMO he could execute every pass in the book. It was only a matter of what solutions he wanted to pick, but IMO, I found myself, when looking back at replays, and if he didn't choose a certain pass, 9 times out of 10, the pass was not on for anyone else bar maybe Messi.

If I were to find weaknesses, he didn't have a great 1 vs 1 dribbling, as in take-on ability. Shooting ability was good, but not world-class level, usually didn't strike it very hard. He had great ball-control but mostly as a weapon to shield the ball, protect it, and fight-off pressure. Basically, to not let himself be caged or closed-down by anyone.

I'd also add Xavi's tackling, managing to steal the ball in midfield.

 

[Bobo32]

His vision was as high as it gets for a CM. Technique as well (for his position). IMO he could execute every pass in the book. It was only a matter of what solutions he wanted to pick, but IMO, I found myself, when looking back at replays, and if he didn't choose a certain pass, 9 times out of 10, the pass was not on for anyone else bar maybe Messi.

If I were to find weaknesses, he didn't have a great 1 vs 1 dribbling, as in take-on ability. Shooting ability was good, but not world-class level, usually didn't strike it very hard. He had great ball-control but mostly as a weapon to shield the ball, protect it, and fight-off pressure. Basically, to not let himself be caged or closed-down by anyone.

Yeah sure, top class technique and top class vision. Was his tech and vision in isolation miles above Fabregas/Ozils/Zidanes/Lampards/Ballacks and so on? He was miles ahead as a player, I'd say, despite him being worse than them in most physical aspects.

I am not sure if I make myself understood, and if you just don't agree, or if I need to explain more. My point in a nutshell is that his main attribute was his style. Because he had more patience and trust than all other players, he was more succesful. When he got to play with players that suited him perfectly, his qualities shone even more.

Xavi had many weaknesses, he wouldn't win any pure 1v1 either off/def, he couldn't play in the air, his shot was nothing compared to most other top CM:s at the time, and so on... But football is not so much about a comparison of attributes, and it's not so much about stats. Pretty much any time Xavi was on the pitch, his team was controlling the ball, and his weaknesses were hidden while his strengths were shown.