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antonnn

antonnn

Blue Blooded Aussie
Yeah, it's ridiculous to claim that Enrique outsmarted Simeone all 3 times, Barca have a great attack, and Atletico have a weaker defence than last year, there's always the chance Barca could do them in, and it's happened this season.
 
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Hamzah

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he did outsmart simeone, winning three times is no fluke. also their defence isn't weaker it is about the same.

the great carlo has many WC attackers and has provided nothing against them.
 
Ini8

Ini8

¡Gr?*cies Xavi!
Hamzah said:
he did outsmart simeone, winning three times is no fluke. also their defence isn't weaker it is about the same.

the great carlo has many WC attackers and has provided nothing against them.
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I agree. We didn't beat them once last season, this season we won 3 times in a row against them. Our attack is incredible, yes, but so is RM's.
 
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zanela

Senior Member
Enrique's whatever no. of wins over Simeone dwarfs against the latter's managerial achievements. I don't think he's losing any sleep over it. When Luis Enrique takes a squad with limited budget, to the heights of glory as achieved by toppling two football powerhouses i.e, doing the unthinkable, we'll talk. Until then, all these attempts at downplaying the man's managrl. credentials appear desperate and bitter.
Atlético's recent dominance is sourced from the valiant character and the acumen of one man. Take him out of the equation, and they are a lesser proposition in all respects.
 
KingMessi

KingMessi

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zanela said:
Enrique's whatever no. of wins over Simeone dwarfs against the latter's managerial achievements. I don't think he's losing any sleep over it. When Luis Enrique takes a squad with limited budget, to the heights of glory as achieved by toppling two football powerhouses i.e, doing the unthinkable, we'll talk. Until then, all these attempts at downplaying the man's managrl. credentials appear desperate and bitter.
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Huh, when did we do that?

I will say this though. Simeone's been in the managerial game since 2006. He was good with Racing Club and Estudiantes, but largely a failure with River Plate and San Lorenzo. And before Atleti, he managed Catania and Racing Club again. But the point is that he's had time to learn from his failures, and he's shown that in his time at Atleti.

Meanwhile Lucho has been managing since 2008. His first three seasons with Barca B were really good, and he helped them get promoted to the Segunda Division. After that, you can only really say that Lucho was a failure with Roma, mostly because the players turned on him. After that he did well with Celta last season.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that it is that previous history should have no bearing on whether Lucho's victories over Simeone are something to be applauded. This is because I could just as well say that Ancellotti isn't losing sleep over his 0 wins in 6 encounters with Simeone just because his managerial achievements dwarf Simeone's. Would that be a true statement? Hell no it wouldn't.
 
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zanela

Senior Member
KingMessi said:
Huh, when did we do that?
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I've seen posts of that nature, even if not by yourself. The ones from last page for example.

I see no problem with Enrique being credited for his wins, and he should. But if you're going to constantly use it as a stick to put Simeone down, then sorry it doesn't appear reasonable by any standards. Losing 3 times against an adversary don't diminish his managerial abilities or his achievements. So to mock at words of praise reserved for him does seem bitter. And I certainly wouldn't 've brought it up otherwise. Great managers are made by lifting championships, and titles, not by any favourable H-H record vs one's rival. If Enrique doesn't build on his wins vs AM, and have nothing to show in the end. I wonder how many here will then still be celebrating these victories against Simeone's AM.
Ancelotti, despite his defeats against Simeone, is still a great manager, which is why you will never see me use such stats against him.

As for the comparisons, Ancelotti's accomplishments might as well dwarf Simeone's. He has 10 years over him, and also has had the privilege of managing some of the top clubs during his career. Who's to say Simeone at the same age wouldn't 've equalled or come close. :p The Simeone-Enrique comparison is just a bit more equitable, given their age, even if Cholo started 2 years early. But its true Cholo pulled off what seemed an unsurmountable feat before his arrival. For that reason alone, he belongs to the higher echelons of the managerial ladder.
 
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alittlebitter

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they really need mandzukic back. Torres, bless him, is just not a reliable goal scorer. griezmann is carrying them right now in the goal scoring department
 
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1611

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Griezmann is the 2nd best player after Messi in La Liga in 2015, and it's not even close. What a signing for Cholo :worthy:
 
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