Barca elections 2015

[MessiDinho10]

There is evidence that none of what you say is practical.... Not one club is even entertaining the idea of getting rid of shirt sponsorship to sell strip at a lower price and make more money from sales

What percentage of shirt sale are you claiming Barca pay to Qatar?

Are you forgetting the bigger picture here? This is my view of making up for a shirt without a shirt sponsor. What I have described here will not nearly cover the amount we get from Qatar annually. This suggestion could just be the part of a plan that wants to achieve a shirt without a sponsor which also guarantees that the revenue won't decrease. It is a combination of new ways to make money and the revaluation of other ways that already get the club money (other sponsor contracts) that together will more than replace Qatar in terms of income.
Why would I even say this will (more than) replace the 30 million euros Qatar pays the club annually when I pointed out that clubs don't make that much by selling shirts? That makes no sense.

Barça doesn't pay anything to Qatar. That would be stupid because Qatar pays us 30 million euros per year.
I imagine Qatar makes around the same per shirt as Barça does, because both get payed in the form of some sort of royalties. I haven't read anything on what sponsors make per shirt, only that clubs get around 12-15 euros. Can't find anything on it either, could very well be more than 15.

 

[jamrock]

I agree with jamdav on this one, our shirt price has pretty much been the same with or without a sponsor, over the years.

Shirt sponors are a must in today's football and its a testament to laporta that he tripled our revenues without it. My hold thing is we should be getting way more money that we currently are and what has been currently offered, which is way more than a shirt sponsor for what was it 60m euros.

If you are going to sell out do it Right.

Maybe laporta will sell out image rights around the world more effectively, which could help him take off the sponsor of something who knows. My gut feeling his he will keep a sponsor on the shirt, but someone more palatable than Qatar.

 

[JamDav1982]

Are you forgetting the bigger picture here? This is my view of making up for a shirt without a shirt sponsor. What I have described here will not nearly cover the amount we get from Qatar annually. This suggestion could just be the part of a plan that wants to achieve a shirt without a sponsor which also guarantees that the revenue won't decrease. It is a combination of new ways to make money and the revaluation of other ways that already get the club money (other sponsor contracts) that together will more than replace Qatar in terms of income.
Why would I even say this will (more than) replace the 30 million euros Qatar pays the club annually when I pointed out that clubs don't make that much by selling shirts? That makes no sense.

Barça doesn't pay anything to Qatar. That would be stupid because Qatar pays us 30 million euros per year.
I imagine Qatar makes around the same per shirt as Barça does, because both get payed in the form of some sort of royalties. I haven't read anything on what sponsors make per shirt, only that clubs get around 12-15 euros. Can't find anything on it either, could very well be more than 15.

How much per shirt do you think Nike gets?

I honestly have never heard of a sponsor getting any money per shirt sold let alone the same as club. I was always under the impression that the big clubs sold the rights to shit sales to the manufacturer.

Still the belief that lowering the price of the shirt will generate more ££ from sales doesnt add up and it doesnt fit into the idea of maximising supply and demand.

There is a reason no club in the world is going down that route.

It is not about replacing 30m it is about replacing 60m a season at the very least.

Almost certain I read Barca get nothing from individual shirt sales bar what is sold in their club shop. Will need to find link.

 

[MessiDinho10]

How much per shirt do you think Nike gets?

I honestly have never heard of a sponsor getting any money per shirt sold let alone the same as club. I was always under the impression that the big clubs sold the rights to shit sales to the manufacturer.

Still the belief that lowering the price of the shirt will generate more ££ from sales doesnt add up and it doesnt fit into the idea of maximising supply and demand.

There is a reason no club in the world is going down that route.

It is not about replacing 30m it is about replacing 60m a season at the very least.

Almost certain I read Barca get nothing from individual shirt sales bar what is sold in their club shop. Will need to find link.

It does add up, just read some information about price elasticity of supply, it will be very clear how lowering a price could increase total revenue. Right now it doesn't, because the balance in the market is fixed. When the costs per shirt and the marginal costs for the manufacturer change, it all changes and then it's very realistic that a lower price will increase total revenue.

Now you're just using the same argument again. Of course no club is going down that road, because most clubs don't have ability to expand their revenue as fast as Barcelona can, without a shirt sponsor. Other topclubs won't do it, because they don't aspire to have no shirt sponsor, and it does not benefit them if they had no shirt sponsor. You think I don't know that having shirt sponsor will be much better for our club financially? It's because of the romanticism that I don't want one, and from there I try to come up with ways to replace it.

Barça get money in the same way as Qatar gets money per shirt, because they have rights that protect the use of their names by others. For every shirt sold, they get a percentage of the price it was sold for.

Edit: I think Nike makes the most money, because they both produce and sell shirts. Barcelona and Qatar only get their share because their name and emblem are on the shirt.

 

[JamDav1982]

It does add up, just read some information about price elasticity of supply, it will be very clear how lowering a price could increase total revenue. Right now it doesn't, because the balance in the market is fixed. When the costs per shirt and the marginal costs for the manufacturer change, it all changes and then it's very realistic that a lower price will increase total revenue.

Now you're just using the same argument again. Of course no club is going down that road, because most clubs don't have ability to expand their revenue as fast as Barcelona can, without a shirt sponsor. Other topclubs won't do it, because they don't aspire to have no shirt sponsor, and it does not benefit them if they had no shirt sponsor. You think I don't know that having shirt sponsor will be much better for our club financially? It's because of the romanticism that I don't want one, and from there I try to come up with ways to replace it.

Barça get money in the same way as Qatar gets money per shirt, because they have rights that protect the use of their names by others. For every shirt sold, they get a percentage of the price it was sold for.

Edit: I think Nike makes the most money, because they both produce and sell shirts. Barcelona and Qatar only get their share because their name and emblem are on the shirt.

Of course lowering price COULD increase revenue or it could make it worse.

So you are claiming that Qatar get around 12-15 euros for every Barca shirt sold?

Considering Barca sold around 1.2million shirts last year Qatar got up to 18m euros from that? So in reality the cost of them sponsoring Barca cost them 12m euros and the benefit to Barca is only 12m euros?

That is definitely not the case.

If that is the case then Laporta should not be quoting Man Utds Adidas deal as a reference as Adidas get the shirt sales money. Man Utd dont get any of it.

Can you show me anywhere that suggests Qatar Airways made 18m last season from Barca shirt sales?

 

[jamrock]

Qatar doesn't get any money nor do Barcelona

 

[JamDav1982]

Qatar doesn't get any money nor do Barcelona

Thats what I have been saying.

Nike get the money for shirt sales.

Never heard anyone claim Qatar make 15-18m from Barca shirt sales a season before and cant find a single link to any sponsor at any club getting these type of payments.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Of course lowering price COULD increase revenue or it could make it worse.

So you are claiming that Qatar get around 12-15 euros for every Barca shirt sold?

Considering Barca sold around 1.2million shirts last year Qatar got up to 18m euros from that? So in reality the cost of them sponsoring Barca cost them 12m euros and the benefit to Barca is only 12m euros?

That is definitely not the case.

If that is the case then Laporta should not be quoting Man Utds Adidas deal as a reference as Adidas get the shirt sales money. Man Utd dont get any of it.

Can you show me anywhere that suggests Qatar Airways made 18m last season from Barca shirt sales?

I don't know what they make, as I said previously. The only thing that's been kind of certain since Perez' comments is that a topclub makes around 12 euros for every shirt sold. It's almost impossible to get information on this matter. I'm just guessing what every party makes based on my knowledge of business economics and what the price of a product consists of.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't know what they make, as I said previously. The only thing that's been kind of certain since Perez' comments is that a topclub makes around 12 euros for every shirt sold. It's almost impossible to get information on this matter. I'm just guessing what every party makes based on my knowledge of business economics and what the price of a product consists of.

Well you have guessed wrong as Qatar get nothing from Barca selling strips and top clubs get at most a percentage of profit which is much smaller than shirt sales.

There is not a single link anywhere to suggest that type of thing.

What Perez quote are you speaking about?

 

[Barcaman]

Soros and Zionists should sponsor us if Laporta wins. His close friend failed extreme left politician and probable member of the board Pilar should pull her strings there. Soros alone is worth billions. No?

 

[DonAK]

Soros and Zionists should sponsor us if Laporta wins. His close friend failed extreme left politician and probable member of the board Pilar should pull her strings there. Soros alone is worth billions. No?

She's not on her team nor will she be on his board, thankfully.

 

[Barcaman]

How do you know?

 

[DonAK]

How do you know?

She said it in some radio program she does or participated in. Enric Masip also categorically denied that Albert Luque is on the team after someone tweeted him about, said he was there to show support.

 

[Hamzah]

Zionists?

 

[MessiDinho10]

Well you have guessed wrong as Qatar get nothing from Barca selling strips and top clubs get at most a percentage of profit which is much smaller than shirt sales.

There is not a single link anywhere to suggest that type of thing.

What Perez quote are you speaking about?

I never said Qatar get money from Barcelona through shirt sales, and throughout my posts I say that top clubs get a percentage of the profit, that's where the 12 euros come from. Here's the thing, we don't know whether or not I guessed wrong. Most likely every club handles this differently with their sponsors, manufacturers and their respective rights.

Perez claimed after the transfers of Ronaldo and James that players like that would earn themselves back, mainly because of shirt sales. It turned out this couldn't be true, because a club does not receive the full 80 euros of a football shirt and it's impossible to make 200 million in 6 years for those two players alone.