Barca elections 2015

[JamDav1982]

I never said Qatar get money from Barcelona through shirt sales, and throughout my posts I say that top clubs get a percentage of the profit, that's where the 12 euros come from. Here's the thing, we don't know whether or not I guessed wrong. Most likely every club handles this differently with their sponsors, manufacturers and their respective rights.

Perez claimed after the transfers of Ronaldo and James that players like that would earn themselves back, mainly because of shirt sales. It turned out this couldn't be true, because a club does not receive the full 80 euros of a football shirt and it's impossible to make 200 million in 6 years for those two players alone.

You said that Barcelona could cut out the money going to Qatar Airways if there was no sponsorship. Which you then guessed was 12-15 euros a shirt 'maybe more'.

So that comes to around up to 18m a season that Qatar are getting from shirt sales that could be going to Barca.

The money is not getting paid to Barca but not coming to Barca so it is same thing.

It takes ten seconds to work out Perez was speaking rubbish.... Real would need to see James shirt sales increase Real Madrids overall shirt sales by a million a year for over ten years for it to be true and that would be with Real getting the full 70 euros for each strip sold as prices stand.

Percentage of profit is not 12 euros per shirt. For example Man Utds Nike deal they got a fixed amount each season but could benefit from 1-2 million more depending on sales. Nowhere close to 12 euros per shirt which would take them closer to 20m euros a season.

 

[MessiDinho10]

You said that Barcelona could cut out the money going to Qatar Airways if there was no sponsorship. Which you then guessed was 12-15 euros a shirt 'maybe more'.

So that comes to around up to 18m a season that Qatar are getting from shirt sales that could be going to Barca.

The money is not getting paid to Barca but not coming to Barca so it is same thing.

It takes ten seconds to work out Perez was speaking rubbish.... Real would need to see James shirt sales increase Real Madrids overall shirt sales by a million a year for over ten years for it to be true and that would be with Real getting the full 70 euros for each strip sold as prices stand.

Percentage of profit is not 12 euros per shirt. For example Man Utds Nike deal they got a fixed amount each season but could benefit from 1-2 million more depending on sales. Nowhere close to 12 euros per shirt which would take them closer to 20m euros a season.

Yes, Qatar is out of the equation when they don't sponsor Barcelona. That doesn't mean Barcelona pay Qatar a percentage of the price of a shirt, which you claimed I said. When there's no shirt sponsor, it means there are less parties that get money if a shirt is sold. This is where Barcelona, Nike, the retailer and any other parties involved could profit from.
Stop throwing numbers at me here, I don't know how much every party gets so it's impossible to know how much they make per shirt. Could be 15, could be more, could be less.

Of course it's rubbish, come on. It just raised the question how much a club really makes per shirt, and that is why I mentioned it. Man United may do that, but it will undoubtedly be different at another club. It is between the manufacturer and the club to negotiate over that incentive.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes, Qatar is out of the equation when they don't sponsor Barcelona. That doesn't mean Barcelona pay Qatar a percentage of the price of a shirt, which you claimed I said. When there's no shirt sponsor, it means there are less parties that get money if a shirt is sold. This is where Barcelona, Nike, the retailer and any other parties involved could profit from.
Stop throwing numbers at me here, I don't know how much every party gets so it's impossible to know how much they make per shirt. Could be 15, could be more, could be less.

Of course it's rubbish, come on. It just raised the question how much a club really makes per shirt, and that is why I mentioned it. Man United may do that, but it will undoubtedly be different at another club. It is between the manufacturer and the club to negotiate over that incentive.

You claimed Barcelona were up to 18m worse off as Qatar gets paid for each strip.

It doesnt matter if that is paid by Barca or it is money Barca just never see it is all the same thing.

May have worded it wrong but never meant that you claimed that money is directly coming from the accounts of Barca to Qatar Airways but the basic principal remains the same. By your argument Barca only make around 12m from Qatar Airways sponsorship. Which is not the case.

Sponsors get NO MONEY from shirt sales. Nike get virtually all of it.

 

[MessiDinho10]

You claimed Barcelona were up to 18m worse off as Qatar gets paid for each strip.

It doesnt matter if that is paid by Barca or it is money Barca just never see it is all the same thing.

May have worded it wrong but never meant that you claimed that money is directly coming from the accounts of Barca to Qatar Airways but the basic principal remains the same. By your argument Barca only make around 12m from Qatar Airways sponsorship. Which is not the case.

Sponsors get NO MONEY from shirt sales. Nike get virtually all of it.

Stop twisting my words, I didn't claim Barcelona lose 18 million because of Qatar. I never mentioned that amount and didn't calculate it, that's what you did, based on my guesses, guesses that are very likely to be wrong.
I also never said that Barca only make 12 million from Qatar Airways, that's stupid. The sponsorship contract alone earns the club 30 million, you and I both know that. I mentioned Barcelona get around 12 euros per shirt sold, an amount which could be different depending on what was negotiated with the manufacturer.
If you are so certain that sponsors/Qatar Airways don't get money from shirts sold, then I would like to know how Nike is allowed to use Qatar Airways on their products without paying royalties or any other form of payment.

 

[JamDav1982]

Stop twisting my words, I didn't claim Barcelona lose 18 million because of Qatar. I never mentioned that amount and didn't calculate it, that's what you did, based on my guesses, guesses that are very likely to be wrong.
I also never said that Barca only make 12 million from Qatar Airways, that's stupid. The sponsorship contract alone earns the club 30 million, you and I both know that. I mentioned Barcelona get around 12 euros per shirt sold, an amount which could be different depending on what was negotiated with the manufacturer.
If you are so certain that sponsors/Qatar Airways don't get money from shirts sold, then I would like to know how Nike is allowed to use Qatar Airways on their products without paying royalties or any other form of payment.

Just showing how unlikely to be realistic your guesses are. I based that 18m on those guesses which would suggest Barca are only 12m better off through having Qatar Airways on front of strip.

I would guess as part of the sponsorship deal that sponsors make with clubs they agree that wont take any royalties. If they insisted on that clubs just wouldnt choose them.

Barcelona dont earn around 12 euros per shirt sold either. These deals are not broken down in that way at all.

 

[Alen]

I don't think sponsors on the shirt get royalties. The only return on their investment would be publicity, otherwise it wouldn't make sense imo.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't think sponsors on the shirt get royalties. The only return on their investment would be publicity, otherwise it wouldn't make sense imo.

Of course they dont, he has plucked the idea out of thin air to try and limit the losses of Laporta having no sponsor.

This type of fanciful argument just shows how little info Laporta has given on how he can try to limit the 60m shortfall of no shirt sponsor.

 

[Alen]

Of course they dont, he has plucked the idea out of thin air to try and limit the losses of Laporta having no sponsor.

This type of fanciful argument just shows how little info Laporta has given on how he can try to limit the 60m shortfall of no shirt sponsor.

I don't know if it's true or not, i just never heard about it before.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Just showing how unlikely to be realistic your guesses are. I based that 18m on those guesses which would suggest Barca are only 12m better off through having Qatar Airways on front of strip.

I would guess as part of the sponsorship deal that sponsors make with clubs they agree that wont take any royalties. If they insisted on that clubs just wouldnt choose them.

Barcelona dont earn around 12 euros per shirt sold either. These deals are not broken down in that way at all.

I don't care whether or not my guesses are realistic, not relevant at all now. Your calculations are not serving you well here. Suppose it was all true, Nike and other parties would also want to share in the amount that normally would go to Qatar, but with Qatar's departure. Naive to think all of that 18 million would go to the club.
Again you're not reading my post well enough. I didn't say royalties are negotiated between the sponsor and the club, but between the manufacturer and the sponsor.

Then in what way are those deals broken down then? Come on, enlighten me.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't care whether or not my guesses are realistic, not relevant at all now. Your calculations are not serving you well here. Suppose it was all true, Nike and other parties would also want to share in the amount that normally would go to Qatar, but with Qatar's departure. Naive to think all of that 18 million would go to the club.
Again you're not reading my post well enough. I didn't say royalties are negotiated between the sponsor and the club, but between the manufacturer and the sponsor.

Then in what way are those deals broken down then? Come on, enlighten me.

Easy. The club get the sponsor to agree with Nike they take no royalties or they wont take them as a sponsor. Not that I even think that happens but it is easy to do.

You make up guesses then cry when called out them as if they shouldnt be taken seriously.

There is no basis whatsoever to your 'guesses' other than trying to imagine scenarios where having no sponsor does not leave the club at least 60m short.

Qatar get NOTHING from shirt sales, Barca will get next to nothing. The way you imagine the shirt deals are just fantasy to suit the idea the club wont lose as much without a sponsor on the front.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Easy. The club get the sponsor to agree with Nike they take no royalties or they wont take them as a sponsor. Not that I even think that happens but it is easy to do.

You make up guesses then cry when called out them as if they shouldnt be taken seriously.

There is no basis whatsoever to your 'guesses' other than trying to imagine scenarios where having no sponsor does not leave the club at least 60m short.

Qatar get NOTHING from shirt sales, Barca will get next to nothing. The way you imagine the shirt deals are just fantasy to suit the idea the club wont lose as much without a sponsor on the front.

I made guesses because you asked for numbers, I never took them seriously, nor did I feel they were relevant. The numbers are not important to me because I don't need them for my theory, in which any value will decreases or increases in general, not in specific numbers.

There might be little to no basis, but your claims in the last paragraph have no basis either. How do you know Qatar get ''NOTHING'' and Barca next to nothing? You'd better show me some goddamn proof because it's been all what you have been asking for from me, but you yourself haven't shown any.

You act like our deal with Qatar is worth 60 million a year, but it isn't, not yet. Never count profits you haven't realized yet.

Oh, by the way, just came across this (http://swissramble.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/zlatan-ibrahimovic-transfer-analysed.html) article from The Swiss Ramble, the source which you seem to rate so highly, which clearly states clubs make an average profit of 12 euros per shirt sold.

 

[Ini8]

Benedito: "We all know that the Treble isn't the merit of Laporta, Barto or Rosell. Lucho, a bit. It's the merit of Messi and the players."
Benedito: "With any president, Messi and this team would've won it."

That's harsh on Lucho and his staff.

 

[Devils]

What an idiot.

I don't want him near Barca making outrageous comments like that.

 

[raki]

Politicians...

 

[frog-fcb]

What an idiot.

I don't want him near Barca making outrageous comments like that.

Is he far wrong at the end of the day its the players on the pitch doing the job