Barca Transfers and Rumors

[Luftstalag14]

Lot depend on what new manager wan,again I think the only way we go for him is if we have a starting spot for him
That is either with Messi as AM in 4-3-3 or in 3-4-3 as winger but in both cases we need someone who will do the defensive work and I don't know how good Dembele in that

Exactly, it requires a lot of work from the wingers in the defensive end, particularly with 3-4-3. And from what I have seen him at BVB, not good enough defensively YET.

 

[xXKonan]

According to to AS we are interested in Portuguese RB Diogo Dalot, who currently plays for Porto's B team.

 

[Yashar1899]

Old Messi needs this system and someone for rght winger and for at least 2 season Messi will be in starting line up!

 

[Jombi]

Dembele would be around 50, 60 mil. max. It's not like Dortmund's players have been that expensive, just look at Lewandowski, Gotze and Hummels, and those were sold domestically and to their biggest rivals, which you'd think they'd wanna squezze as much as possible, since no one around the club wanted to sell to Bayern. But selling abroad, add to that the player's dream club (from what we can gather from all of Dembele's interviews), we wouldn't have to pay some astronomical fee, i think. Dortmund are a selling club first and foremost, they don't have the financial muscle to turn down 50 mil. for Dembele, especially if Barca came calling, which would surely get Dembele's attention and wish to actually be sold.

I dont think that's comparable. Lewa was out of contract and went on a free transfer. Hummels was a CB (and had a year left on his contract?).

Dembele dominated the French league at 18, joined Dortmund, didnt skip a beat and totally dominates the German league at 19 years old. Thats the stuff future superstars are made of. He's on another level and I cant see him staying in Dortmund for long at his level.

 

[Barcaman]

Juve fans getting nervous about Dybala's contract talks and his tweet about Barca-PSG only fueled it.

 

[BBZ8800]

According to to AS we are interested in Portuguese RB Diogo Dalot, who currently plays for Porto's B team.

Why on Earth are we looking for RB's?

We'll win everything this season with 343 and then we'll go back to 433 and we'll be outplayed by any midtable team.
We have 4 fullbacks already.
That's 3 or 4 fullbacks too much for a 343 formation.

 

[SeloBarca]

Juve fans getting nervous about Dybala's contract talks and his tweet about Barca-PSG only fueled it.

Dybala would also be an awesome signing and could do well at RW, and move into forward position once Suarez puts his boots on the shelf.
Dybala is also a Barcelonafan which could help.
He might be a little more expensive than Dembele though since he has more experiance in a high lvl team.

And apperantly Dani Alves has told Dybala to join Barcelona

 

[khaled_a_d]

Why on Earth are we looking for RB's?

We'll win everything this season with 343 and then we'll go back to 433 and we'll be outplayed by any midtable team.
We have 4 fullbacks already.
That's 3 or 4 fullbacks too much for a 343 formation.

We have been playing 3-4-3 for short time now,let's wait to see how long it is gonna succeed there.
Remember the man in your avatar has tried it 10 years ago too and had initial success but then it didn't continue to be effective

 

[BBZ8800]

We have been playing 3-4-3 for short time now,let's wait to see how long it is gonna succeed there.
Remember the man in your avatar has tried it 10 years ago too and had initial success but then it didn't continue to be effective

Ok.

But there is always an option to switch between formations.
If 343 will prove to be Godlike against minor teams, but weak against Bayern and Real, we can always play 343 at Camp Nou against 90% of La liga teams and on some away matches and 433, 442 or 451 against better opponents.

But, imo, in any options where we'll play 343 in more than 50% of matches, having already 4 fullbacks (and buying some new) is way too much.

We would really need to play extremely bad to get to levels of 433 which was bad during Tata, first half of 2014/15 under Lucho, 2nd half of 2015/16, first half of 2016/17.
In the last 3,5 half years, 433 was efficient for total of 12 Months and it was getting worse and worse lately.
So, 343 would need to fail real hard to reach the level of pain of 433 lately.

Ok, we'll have to wait and see what will happen with us and 343.
But then, isn't it dumb from sporting directors to seek for a RB since:
1. we don't know whether 343 will end as average or awesome in upcoming Months?
2. we don't know who a new coach will be
3. we don't know which formation will a new coach use

I will be extremely pissed if a new coach will try a new formation.
Just imagine that we win a CL now with 343 and then a new coach starts with a new formation instead of a winning formation.
It will be the same as Bayern with Pep ruining a winning formula.

I am a fan of don't fix what ain't broken, and currently our 343 looks like top 3-4 best formations from the last 20 years (with Cruijff's team, Van Gaal's formation, Rijkaard's 433 from 2004-2006 and Pep's Tiki-Taka).
We didn't look this good since 2011.
So, I would rather give more time and credits to this formation than already looking for some other options, especially those which aren't working for years (433, I am pointing fingers at you).

 

[khaled_a_d]

Ok.

But there is always an option to switch between formations.
If 343 will prove to be Godlike against minor teams, but weak against Bayern and Real, we can always play 343 at Camp Nou against 90% of La liga teams and on some away matches and 433, 442 or 451 against better opponents.

But, imo, in any options where we'll play 343 in more than 50% of matches, having already 4 fullbacks (and buying some new) is way too much.

We would really need to play extremely bad to get to levels of 433 which was bad during Tata, first half of 2014/15 under Lucho, 2nd half of 2015/16, first half of 2016/17.
In the last 3,5 half years, 433 was efficient for total of 12 Months and it was getting worse and worse lately.
So, 343 would need to fail real hard to reach the level of pain of 433 lately.

Ok, we'll have to wait and see what will happen with us and 343.
But then, isn't it dumb from sporting directors to seek for a RB since:
1. we don't know whether 343 will end as average or awesome in upcoming Months?
2. we don't know who a new coach will be
3. we don't know which formation will a new coach use

I will be extremely pissed if a new coach will try a new formation.
Just imagine that we win a CL now with 343 and then a new coach starts with a new formation instead of a winning formation.
It will be the same as Bayern with Pep ruining a winning formula.

I am a fan of don't fix what ain't broken, and currently our 343 looks like top 3-4 best formations from the last 20 years (with Cruijff's team, Van Gaal's formation, Rijkaard's 433 from 2004-2006 and Pep's Tiki-Taka).
We didn't look this good since 2011.
So, I would rather give more time and credits to this formation than already looking for some other options, especially those which aren't working for years (433, I am pointing fingers at you).

1- Let's start with the facts here,4-3-3 has worked for us for almost two and half decades.It has been considered a huge part of Barca identity for long time(and yeah I know we played many other tactics during that time) It worked to the extent that the most incompetent coach we had in the last 14 years (Tata) was as close as if one goal was rightfully counted we would have won Liga,when a new coach who was trying new rotations like Lucho we were just 4 points behind strongest RM side that was there in past 10 years and later on we punished them when they dropped on form and won treble,last season it didn't work for half of season,it worked the whole year except one month when the team came from FIFA virus with a squad of average age 29 that featured five players coming from South American trip and 4 of them were old players. That wasn't on 4-3-3.
Even this season we were top of the group in CL (a tough group too),reached CDR final and still kept the hunt for Liga against strong RM side. blaming 4-3-3 is just not realistic

2- The new 3-4-3 is now better but isn't out of faults either and while change has been useful there is clear problems in it that might hunt us very soon and I don't think it is sustainable,Messi is far less against stronger teams ,and when a game plan doesn't get the best out of your best player it is a problem. Neymar is flourishing under it but he is also asked to run a lot in this system and that will mean he will either start running less or gets more tired,the defense is also too risky and might get exposed for it later on.
Again this for now looks more like Rijkaard's trial decade ago,or Pep in 2012 ,it is good for short term to change the fortune of the team but I doubt it is sustainable. Lucho will probably continue with it for now so we will have a better look of how it is gonna work,coaches will surely have studied it more. But way too early to get disappointed if we change it next year

3-We looked way better than this many times after 2011,last season b4 the FIFA stoppage we looked like the most dominant team in the history of football. The treble season we looked better than this. We weren't even playing the greatest football against PSG but we showed gr8 determination and we were clinical with our chances.

4-If it you believe that if it ain't broken don't fix it then I am not sure how you will want to permanently change a gameplan that made us the best team in past two and half decades? And I don't want to be attacking you but you are the one who keep wanting to change coaches because of cycles,half of the team because of cycles,sell prime Neymar for Pogba for whatever reason. All of those are fixing what isn't broken man

Long story short is calm down,3-4-3 might end as God gift to people of Catalonia or a disaster that hasn't been unfolded yet

 

[mark1nhu]

Dybala would also be an awesome signing and could do well at RW, and move into forward position once Suarez puts his boots on the shelf.
Dybala is also a Barcelonafan which could help.
He might be a little more expensive than Dembele though since he has more experiance in a high lvl team.

And apperantly Dani Alves has told Dybala to join Barcelona

Dani problems with our board was always a ploy to infiltrate him in the Juve squad and lure their best players.

Dani Culé 4ever.

 

[SeloBarca]

Dani will always support the team Barcelona.
He just doesnt like the board, like many of us.

 

[Zinedinho]

3-4-3 was a Cruyff classic in the 90s.

We definitely need a RB anyway, and think carefully about what kind of midfield we want. Aleñá is too good, but maybe we need a good investment in a midfielder that can control the game, because Iniesta isn't getting any younger.

 

[LeeRomeno]

If we would actually have a RB we could play 433, as we don't, we should not play players outside position.

 

[Raketa10]

Our entire team is disbalanced because we don't have a proper RB in our roster.

Next summer priorites:

1. world class RB
2. world class CM
3. young CB
4. a player who can play LW/RW when Ney or Messi are rested (someone like Pedro)