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Marlon isn't on the same level as Davinson.
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Marlon isn't on the same level as Davinson.
DonAK
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Davinson was the undisputed starter for the best football team in South America, Atletico Nacional.
He won the Copa Libertadores with them. Was touted as the most talented CB in many years and not only by Colombians, but by Brazilians, Argentines, Peruvians, you name it.
Marlon was hyped a bit initially too, but was benched or in the reserves for Fluminense.
Completely different situation.
While Davinson made the right career choice, first impression plays a role too, and us offering him a place in the B team in Segunda B first was perhaps the worst first impression we could have made
There's always a second chance though.
He won the Copa Libertadores with them. Was touted as the most talented CB in many years and not only by Colombians, but by Brazilians, Argentines, Peruvians, you name it.
Marlon was hyped a bit initially too, but was benched or in the reserves for Fluminense.
Completely different situation.
While Davinson made the right career choice, first impression plays a role too, and us offering him a place in the B team in Segunda B first was perhaps the worst first impression we could have made
There's always a second chance though.
jamrock
Senior Member
Fans need to stop making excuses for the board, they messed up and that's the end of it really.
Will we sign every player we go for? No, but you want to put the best offer possible forward, then leave the rest to him, after that all you can do is say we tried our best.
But this crap about they tried and the player choose what's best for is, is just excuses, sure a player can choose what's best for him and good for him for doing that, but did you do your best to try and convince him/them to sign in the question.
If Bayern can convince young players to join there team and they are stacked full of Stars, then the problem clearly is with those individuals in charge of these types of things at the club.
Will we sign every player we go for? No, but you want to put the best offer possible forward, then leave the rest to him, after that all you can do is say we tried our best.
But this crap about they tried and the player choose what's best for is, is just excuses, sure a player can choose what's best for him and good for him for doing that, but did you do your best to try and convince him/them to sign in the question.
If Bayern can convince young players to join there team and they are stacked full of Stars, then the problem clearly is with those individuals in charge of these types of things at the club.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
We approached a young footballers to player for our reserve team,when he rejected we told him we would do what he wants. wtf we can do more for god sake? beg on our knees or something?
You want the best for the club too,and the club approached him with the best interest of the club too,and then for the best for himself.
What do you think he would have done if he was offered 1st team place from the start? He will in tears from joy for being the 5th option in Barcelona and say ok,that is surely better for my development than being a starter in Ajax? Come on Serghei you are way better than this.
1st impressions? I thought we are trying to sign a professional footballer not to date him. People need to stop acting like those are naive kids. This guy has family,friends,football agent ,never mind his coach and many other advisers to make a decision that is best for his career.
Yes,even if we are Barcelona it is difficult to sign a player if it is clear that we aren't the best suitors for him,and it was crystal clear that Ajax was better for him. he probably wouldn't have developed here well if we was signed for 1st team.
And they were playing in SF in Copa Libertadoros back then,and lost the league too. They weren't the best team back then yet. And he was a player no one in Europe heard about.
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serghei
Senior Member
The offer to play for Barca B was a joke. No other way about it imo. It's the 3rd league. Some of the teams that play there have players who are probably electricians or cashiers at supermarkets as their main job.
It doesn't matter what we made after that. You make a fool out of yourself when you approach a talented player like that. It speaks volumes about what you think about him and his quality.
How come I don't hear about Madrid signing talented young players for Real Madrid II? Maybe because nobody wants to play in the third league? You don't date the players, you're right, but the offer you make speaks alot about how you plan to develop that player.
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JamDav1982
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He was a talented player they were wanting to take a punt on and initially offered a place in B team until he became more comfortable at club.
That is a starting point of negotiations on a move and not some horrific insult that nothing can be moved on from.
serghei
Senior Member
That's a rather low starting point don't you think? I do. I would probably guess that Madrid wouldn't have managed to sign Higuain from River Plate (I chose a similar case, young talented 20 years old player for South America with zero experience in european football) if they told him he was going to play for the reserves team.
There is a difference between Barcelona and Barcelona B. Between Ajax and Barca B, I would go to Ajax too. You either trust the player and think he can succeed at Barcelona, or you want to 'try him out', like sort of a trial, to see if he's good or not. We did the same with Marlon, with that Araujo player from Boca Juniors. The better players won't go for this shit.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
It is a fairly low starting point but would guess it was to try and offer a more gentle introduction to the club but when was clear they didnt want that other offers were made.
Higuain was a big signing and well known. Davison was a much smaller signing as the fee and other teams interest showed.
Marlon went from first team to B team. Casimero did at Real but second tier. Not anything offensive or a joke about that offer.
It was not a choice of Barcelona B or Ajax.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
It was no joke,it was an offer of a reserve team plus training for 1st team.,i.e being between two teams with promotion next summer in best club in the world.
And RM has offered plenty of players being in reserve team, fact that they didn't make it doesn't make them not doing it. Odegaard is the last one of them and he was way hyped than Davinson and RM had more competition to get him.he didn't go"I am too good for reserve team" approach either despite playing in 1st division already.
We made him the best offer for his development in the club,to be between B and 1st team in 1st year and then to get promoted. That is no joke,no way around it. We didn't made fool of ourselves either. He rejected it and we accepted his view and altered our offer.
And again,what did you expect him to do if we made 1st team offer from the start? different result? you are fooling yourself here. It wasn't the approach,it was the opportunity. Just like Dembele,Vietto.Gamiero.Gurriero. All have seen better opportunities elsewhere and there was nothing to do about it
xXKonan
Senior Member
In the case of Marlon, he had a couple of offers and one of them rumored to be Villarreal, as they were looking for a replacement for Eric Bailly who went to United and he was also being followed by a couple of Italian teams. He chose us because he thought it was the one chance he had at a possible chance of playing for the first team one day, despite the B team being in the third division.
Personally I don't blame any young player for rejecting or accepting our offer to play for the B team. some see it as a opportunity at a chance of making it to the first team and others think they are better off going to a stronger team elsewhere to continue their development.
Personally I don't blame any young player for rejecting or accepting our offer to play for the B team. some see it as a opportunity at a chance of making it to the first team and others think they are better off going to a stronger team elsewhere to continue their development.
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