Barca Transfers and Rumors

[JamDav1982]

Some players have more balls and self-confidence. Look at Umtiti or Digne who came in knowing we have Mascherano and Alba. Don't think either of the two have any regrets.

Umtiti was coming to an ageing Masch and Mathieu on front of him and Digne I doubt was being chased by a lot of bigger clubs as a starter.

Davison would have to weigh up that Umtiti and Pique look like a settled partnership for years to come potentially.

The likes of Gabriel Jesus, Dembele etc dont lack balls due to fact wanted to be starters at other big clubs.

 

[SeloBarca]

How are we doing better than most clubs at are at our level? Lol that must be a joke.


Real
Bayern
Juve
Chelsea
Atletico
Even durtmond

Are all way better than us in the transfer market and that's all due to the ineptness of the people running our club, who seem to be operating on the basis that we can't sign anyone that's too good, because we don't won't to upset the players at the club, instead of having everyone fight for there place.

The only team we are doing better than in the market is man UTD, and to a lesser extent city, who are just two fb's away from implementing what pepl really what's to do, besides that, they have been building around a core group of young promising players.

You have some fans who think we are going well in the market trying to make paco sound like a good signing at this point.

I like i said, were so slow in moving on the market.
Other clubs scout and make deals with players half a year ahead of the summer transfer window.
While we do nothing until the end of the season.
Dortmund has picked up shitloads of young talent. Real Madrid and Bayern fill their gaps with quality players.
Monaco is doing better than us in transfers...

 

[Barcaman]

I like i said, were so slow in moving on the market.
Other clubs scout and make deals with players half a year ahead of the summer transfer window.
While we do nothing until the end of the season.
Dortmund has picked up shitloads of young talent. Real Madrid and Bayern fill their gaps with quality players.
Monaco is doing better than us in transfers...

We're too busy creating problems with players where there are none and always drag these extension sagas. Every year. It's been the same with Zubi too.

 

[JamDav1982]

To be fair Barca tried to sign Viniscus and Theo Hernandez long before Real did and had been scouting them before them also.

Money for Viniscus and Theo wanting to stay in Madrid seemed to swing it when Real entered the scene. Probably reacting to Barca trying to sign them anyway.

 

[jamrock]

It all starts at the top.

The person at the top needs to have a bit of personality and involvement in signing certain players, the way perez does & Laporta did, they get it wrong sometimes, and they aren't involve in very detail of the deal, put the pick up the phone or hop on a plane now & then.

 

[serghei]

They will know fine what they are being brought in for initially.

Any young defender will know Pique is a starter and Umtiti has done well.

Where have I said 'cant sign players as back ups'? In the part you quoted I said it is not impossible but many wont come for that scenario.

Many won't come if you do a lousy job trying to convince them. Like proposing them to play in the 3rd league. That's arrogant and a piss poor job at trying to land a top talent. Here is where the difference lies. Many top talents would come to Barca to fight for a place in the team. We just send them the wrong singals, while, on the other hand, Madrid makes them feel valued. This is why they can field 2 teams that would make CL places in Spain, and we can't.

You don't tell them, players and their agents are usually smart enough to know situation. You don't have to tell young forwards that it would be almost impossible to get much playing time behind MSN. You don't have to tell young CBs that it would be very hard for them to break Pique-Umtiti partnership as our starting CB. You didn't need to tell midfielders back in Xaviesta days that they'll have absolutely no chance to start ahead of them.

Kovacic has no chance to start in Madrid's midfield. But they managed to get him. It's the power of persuasion that a club has. We are fucking Barcelona. If we can't sign a player we want then we are just bad at it. OK, I can understand a top player not wanting to come when we had Xavi and Iniesta, but a young player could have done that. There are pluses as well. You can learn from the best, you can play with all time great players, and develop your own skill by doing that. There are numerous advantages in being at a club like Barca.

Our defense is nothing extraordinary btw. A confident player would come to try to impose himself in the team, if he feels that he can do that at the club. But if you start by telling him to play football against Sabadell and Eldense (I didn't even know these teams until I googled them 1 min. ago), alarm bells are ringing and he will find another team that will give him more chances.

We just used Mathieu in a CL quarterfinal with Juve. There is room allright in our defence. We are just bad at going after the right players. And we when we do, we are bad at trying to convince them to join.

 

[JamDav1982]

Many won't come if you do a lousy job trying to convince them. Like proposing them to play in the 3rd league. That's arrogant and a piss poor job at trying to land a top talent. Here is where the difference lies. Many top talents would come to Barca to fight for a place in the team. We just send them the wrong singals, while, on the other hand, Madrid makes them feel valued. This is why they can field 2 teams that would make CL places in Spain, and we can't.

Easy to say Davison is a 'top talent' now and he was offered more than a B team role and seems to have made the correct career choice really.

Nothng to do with Real making them feel valued and Barca do sign young players prepared to come in and fight for place anyway.

 

[KingMessi]

I don't know how you can fault a player for putting his career first and say that he lacks balls for doing so. In fact, I'd argue it takes more guts to turn down an endgame club like Barca or Real if they can't offer you the role you want.

 

[Messi983]

Many won't come if you do a lousy job trying to convince them. Like proposing them to play in the 3rd league. That's arrogant and a piss poor job at trying to land a top talent. Here is where the difference lies. Many top talents would come to Barca to fight for a place in the team. We just send them the wrong singals, while, on the other hand, Madrid makes them feel valued. This is why they can field 2 teams that would make CL places in Spain, and we can't.

We offered Davinson to play in Barça B. When he rejected that we offered him a loan and then also a place in our first team. He rejected all of that because he thought that going to Ajax is the best move for him. Nothing more we could do and we also can't blame him for making the right decision for his career.

Kovacic has no chance to start in Madrid's midfield. But they managed to get him. It's the power of persuasion that a club has. We are fucking Barcelona. If we can't sign a player we want then we are just bad at it. OK, I can understand a top player not wanting to come when we had Xavi and Iniesta, but a young player could have done that. There are pluses as well. You can learn from the best, you can play with all time great players, and develop your own skill by doing that. There are numerous advantages in being at a club like Barca.

We signed Umtiti, Digne, Gomes and Denis last summer. All young players with a chance to compete for first team minutes even if they had some established players at their positions. Paco and Jasper were the only one who knew they don't have much possibilites to become our starter. So you can't say we can't manage to get young players to the club.

 

[jamrock]

Maybe he rejected because we started on the wrong foot by offering him b team football in the first place, the first offer was too much of an insult.

 

[Zincubus]

Anyone see Coutinho's latest match winning performance , went off to another standing ovation ..after one fabulous through ball assist , then TWO amazing goals !!

Think that's 3 assists and 5 goals in his last 5 games ...

Just saying ...

 

[serghei]

Maybe he rejected because we started on the wrong foot by offering him b team football in the first place, the first offer was too much of an insult.

Which is exactly what happened probably.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Which is exactly what happened probably.

Or he is just smart enough to make the best move for his career? which has proved to be the best decision?
He seem to have a gr8 agent who knows how to groom him for greatness. We need to stop making theories to blame ourselves here. Ajax was the better situation for him no matter what was our offer. There is nothing that can be done about that.
Same for Dembele btw.
As for Kovacic, that was only on us not b/c we could have got him in 2014 but for whatever reason Zubi made the offer in last day on the transfers so Inter rejected it. .

You are counting every situation all together,but the truth every situation is different.
Davinson has seen Barca signs Umtiti already,have club legend like Pique,Mascherano had monster season last year (he only showed signs of decline this season) and then you get to convince him to join us? If anything we weren't insulting if we were willing to offer him what he want after he rejected what we want?
Lemos? He didn't join because his club wanted more than we were willing to offer. And tbf he isn't worth the trouble. mediocre defender who is just all potential

 

[serghei]

Or he is just smart enough to make the best move for his career? which has proved to be the best decision?
He seem to have a gr8 agent who knows how to groom him for greatness. We need to stop making theories to blame ourselves here. Ajax was the better situation for him no matter what was our offer. There is nothing that can be done about that.
Same for Dembele btw.
As for Kovacic, that was only on us not b/c we could have got him in 2014 but for whatever reason Zubi made the offer in last day on the transfers so Inter rejected it. .

You are counting every situation all together,but the truth every situation is different.
Davinson has seen Barca signs Umtiti already,have club legend like Pique,Mascherano had monster season last year (he only showed signs of decline this season) and then you get to convince him to join us? If anything we weren't insulting if we were willing to offer him what he want after he rejected what we want?
Lemos? He didn't join because his club wanted more than we were willing to offer. And tbf he isn't worth the trouble. mediocre defender who is just all potential

Maybe, maybe not. All we know is that we approached the player in an awful way. If you try to sign a player, and you do everything right, and the player just chooses something else, fine, you can respect that and be at peace with yourself. That's not what happened. What happened was that we approached a good young player with the idea that he was going to play 3rd league football at Barca B. That's stupid and insulting for the player you 'so badly' want to sign.

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

Well we did the same with Marlon and he joined.