Barca Transfers and Rumors

[serghei]

Messi wants 40m. net per year? Don't believe that number for a second. What is the documented salary of Messi right now? Don't think it's over 20m. net.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Yeah,it is 20M after taxes and around 40M before it

 

[behindbrowneyes]

All the press here in Portugal is saying that Barça has won the race to United for Semedo. Mendes is taking care of the deal. No values were disclosed.

Robert wasn't there when Valverde signed his contract. Maybe he is already finalising the deal?

 

[serghei]

All the press here in Portugal is saying that Barça has won the race to United for Semedo. Mendes is taking care of the deal. No values were disclosed.

I don't see anything about it on A Bola or O Jogo.

 

[raki]

I don't see anything about it on A Bola or O Jogo.

https://www.abola.pt/clubes/ver.aspx?t=3&id=675246

 

[serghei]

https://www.abola.pt/clubes/ver.aspx?t=3&id=675246

Thanks.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

https://www.abola.pt/clubes/ver.aspx?t=3&id=675246

On the contrary, http://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga...-vender-nelson-semedo-e-lindelof-8523212.html says that Vieira travels to Manchester to finalise the deals on Semedo and Lindelof with United.

Is A Bola the more reliable source? I mean,your article is from today and the one I linked from yesterday.

 

[khaled_a_d]

On the contrary, http://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga...-vender-nelson-semedo-e-lindelof-8523212.html says that Vieira travels to Manchester to finalise the deals on Semedo and Lindelof with United.

Is A Bola the more reliable source? I mean,your article is from today and the one I linked from yesterday.

I think they might be both right, just Manu is finalizing one deal with Lindolf and it is us finishing the Semedo deal

 

[Windhook]

Yeah, Mendes and his overrated clients. Robert loves them, actually if he had more money to spend he would have bought 5 more players who are represented by CR7's beloved agent.

Hint: Fabio Coen... Concentrao is really unhappy in Madrid, I think Robert should go after him, forget Dario Srna.

 

[springfield]

in the last ten years i remember a lot of trophies, total domination in the liga (seven victories in ten season), unbelievable games and an amazing play...

all the world tells of "barca era"...

everything made thanks to a lot of great masia players and many great champions bought on the market...

obviously there have been also not good things, mostly in the last season and last market...
but what top club in europe influenced and dominated more than barca in the last ten years?

Yes many trophies. But do you even have a clue of changes in management last 10 years? Barca was a great team but they don't play that great football anymore and need to rely alot on MSN who drags the team to a victory at the end. But that was not always possible. And because no good players were signed, you couldn't rotate alot and make changes to the team without losing to much quality. Look at the younger players Madrid bought and how they are starting perform while their starting XI is getting older, they have younger alternatives to take over when the time is right. Barca doesn't, for many years now. When Barcelona loses Iniesta or Busquets due to an injury, it's a disaster, when Real Madrid loses Kroos or Modric, they don't have to worry that much. It's not about transfers in the last season, it's about transfers for last 5 years or something. It's not just about buying great players, it's about buying the right players, and players with potential for the future.

I didn't check wages from other teams or taxes in other countries.

But in some media, it says that Messi wants 40M Euros per year. With taxes, that is 80M per year.
Iniesta wants 20M.
That is 40M with taxes.

So, one year of granny Iniesta's wages alone cost the same as the transfer of Bellerin or even Seri.

Again, I didn't check wages and taxes for other teams.
But then it seems that mistakes of buying Arda and Gomes are peanuts compared to how much are we paying in wages for older superstars who usually have the highest wages, like Msn, Iniesta, Busi, Rakitic etc.

To some extent, you need Msn (or you don't, hmm?), but roughly, yearly wages of Msn and Iniesta (after taxes) are almost equal to transfer price of Griezmann, Coutinho and Seri together (200-220M Euros per year).

So, when we discuss about the incompetent board, a lack of money for transfers etc, we should consider Msn's wages also.

Barca never in our history had as expensive attack as Msn.
It is our burden on a field on so many levels already.
Now it seems that having Msn is also a huge burden in terms of having zero money to buy midfielders and other positions.

People say: Msn are playing poor because we don't have midfield.
What if having Msn is a reason why we can't buy a better midfield also?

Salaries they talk about is bruto, before taxes. 80M salary that would be crazy and a world record Still it's sad if those players are really after more money each time they need a new contract. They already earn alot and live in luxury. If you love playing football and love your club then why always ask for more money. Alot of other players stick to their teams despite being able to earn more, salaries in Germany and Italy are alot lower than England for example and still many great players don't switch.

 

[jamrock]

Vidal as been perfectly fine at RB when he finally started to get minutes, this is a position I would not spend big on, and instead find a nice up & coming player, from somewhere.

Focus all the money on a RF & midfielder

 

[Giginho75]

Yes many trophies. But do you even have a clue of changes in management last 10 years? Barca was a great team but they don't play that great football anymore and need to rely alot on MSN who drags the team to a victory at the end. But that was not always possible. And because no good players were signed, you couldn't rotate alot and make changes to the team without losing to much quality. Look at the younger players Madrid bought and how they are starting perform while their starting XI is getting older, they have younger alternatives to take over when the time is right. Barca doesn't, for many years now. When Barcelona loses Iniesta or Busquets due to an injury, it's a disaster, when Real Madrid loses Kroos or Modric, they don't have to worry that much. It's not about transfers in the last season, it's about transfers for last 5 years or something. It's not just about buying great players, it's about buying the right players, and players with potential for the future..

i understood your point of view, but i repeat...
it's clear fcb has to buy new players this summer...
i don't know if they must be top class players or young with great prospective, but certainly we need of "true" players, mostly in the middle (one-two, no more)...

anyway in the last five years i remember stegen, bravo, rakitic, neymar, suarez, umtiti...i think these are great and good players...
with many of them we won champions league, three copa and two spanish leagues...
unfortunately we totally failed the last market session and later there have been also wrong choises of luis enrique...

at the end, excuse me, but i don't think real madrid can change easily modric and kroos, despite they have a longer bench than ours and certainly more solutions...

anyway, i'm sorry, but i don't share all these criticism i read on the forum...
it seems fcb hasn't future! keep calm boys!

we have not to change totally the players list, but only some (one-two in the middle and another RB)...
we have many players who can still give us so much...
we have just changed coach...

is so difficult waiting this market session?

My humble opinion :wink:

 

[Raketa10]

Vidal as been perfectly fine at RB when he finally started to get minutes, this is a position I would not spend big on, and instead find a nice up & coming player, from somewhere.

Focus all the money on a RF & midfielder

wtf?!?!?! RB is by far our No.1 priority!

 

[BBZ8800]

Messi wants 40m. net per year? Don't believe that number for a second. What is the documented salary of Messi right now? Don't think it's over 20m. net.

Salaries they talk about is bruto, before taxes. 80M salary that would be crazy and a world record Still it's sad if those players are really after more money each time they need a new contract. They already earn alot and live in luxury. If you love playing football and love your club then why always ask for more money. Alot of other players stick to their teams despite being able to earn more, salaries in Germany and Italy are alot lower than England for example and still many great players don't switch.

Messi's current salary is lower than 20M net.
But since both Neymar and Suarez just signed new long term contracts worth around 16M per year and since Ronaldo has close to 30M net, Messi asks a new deal (domino effect).
Psg already offered around 35M net to Neymar.

Reports usually come from As, but still, it doesn't sound fake to me:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707973-lionel-messi-reportedly-turns-down-barcelonas-initial-contract-offer

I have read on several sites over the internet that Barca already struggles with wages and that 70% of our earnings is spent on player's wages, even before renewals of MSN.
And now, after Ney+Suarez got new deals, captains Messi and Iniesta are also expecting a pay rise.
Reports say that Messi asks around 40 and Iniesta 20-ish.

That is:
Messi 40M per year, 80M after taxes.
Iniesta 20M, 40M after taxes.
Neymar 16M, 32M after taxes.
Suarez 16M, 32M after taxes.

These 4 guys cost us 184M per year after taxes.

On the other hand, Griezmann (100M) Seri (40-50M), Bellerin 40M together cost 180-190M (transfer fees).

It seems that we either don't have enough money as some other big clubs.
Or our older players are just having insanely too high wages (add Pique, Mascherano, Busquets, Rakitic to this, who all have 8-10M net per year which means 20-ish Millions after taxes).
Msn, Iniesta, Busi, Pique, Masch, Raki together cost 250-260M per year in wages.

Transfers and lost money on Arda, Gomes, Mathieu, Vermaelen really look like peanuts compared to wages of our star players.

In Chelsea only Costa, Terry and Fabregas earn more than 10M per year.
In Juventus only Higuain and Pjanic earn more than 5M per year

For example:
Pjanic 5,5M
Khedira 4M
Cuadrado 3M
Dybala 3M
Higuain 7,7M
Mandzukic 3,5M
= are guys who trashed our team this year.

And our overpaid players earn:
Messi soon to be 40M net
Iniesta 20M net
Neymar 16M
Suarez 16M
Busi 10M
Rakitic 7-8M (??)
Pique near 10M
Mascherano near 10M

Mascherano is earning only slightly less than Benzema, Ramos and Kroos.
Yet, Mascherano is earning more than James, Modric.
And Mascherano earns 2-3 times more than Isco, Kovacic, Marcelo.

If true, some of these numbers are really: Wtf?
And it seems that our board thought that our 11 starters will dominate for the next 20 years so they handed them the most lucrative contracts in European football.
And now we have an ageing, old and unmotivated team. We need to pay billions on these guys.
Plus, the worst part is: we can't buy new players (or not expensive new players) since are hands are tied and we are spending 70% (or more) of our earnings for player's wages.

 

[Albo]

Messi's current salary is lower than 20M net.
But since both Neymar and Suarez just signed new long term contracts worth around 16M per year and since Ronaldo has close to 30M net, Messi asks a new deal (domino effect).
Psg already offered around 35M net to Neymar.

Reports usually come from As, but still, it doesn't sound fake to me:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707973-lionel-messi-reportedly-turns-down-barcelonas-initial-contract-offer

I have read on several sites over the internet that Barca already struggles with wages and that 70% of our earnings is spent on player's wages, even before renewals of MSN.
And now, after Ney+Suarez got new deals, captains Messi and Iniesta are also expecting a pay rise.
Reports say that Messi asks around 40 and Iniesta 20-ish.

That is:
Messi 40M per year, 80M after taxes.
Iniesta 20M, 40M after taxes.
Neymar 16M, 32M after taxes.
Suarez 16M, 32M after taxes.

These 4 guys cost us 184M per year after taxes.

On the other hand, Griezmann (100M) Seri (40-50M), Bellerin 40M together cost 180-190M (transfer fees).

It seems that we either don't have enough money as some other big clubs.
Or our older players are just having insanely too high wages (add Pique, Mascherano, Busquets, Rakitic to this, who all have 8-10M net per year which means 20-ish Millions after taxes).
Msn, Iniesta, Busi, Pique, Masch, Raki together cost 250-260M per year in wages.

Transfers and lost money on Arda, Gomes, Mathieu, Vermaelen really look like peanuts compared to wages of our star players.

In Chelsea only Costa, Terry and Fabregas earn more than 10M per year.
In Juventus only Higuain and Pjanic earn more than 5M per year

For example:
Pjanic 5,5M
Khedira 4M
Cuadrado 3M
Dybala 3M
Higuain 7,7M
Mandzukic 3,5M
= are guys who trashed our team this year.

And our overpaid players earn:
Messi soon to be 40M net
Iniesta 20M net
Neymar 16M
Suarez 16M
Busi 10M
Rakitic 7-8M (??)
Pique near 10M
Mascherano near 10M

Mascherano is earning only slightly less than Benzema, Ramos and Kroos.
Yet, Mascherano is earning more than James, Modric.
And Mascherano earns 2-3 times more than Isco, Kovacic, Marcelo.

If true, some of these numbers are really: Wtf?
And it seems that our board thought that our 11 starters will dominate for the next 20 years so they handed them the most lucrative contracts in European football.
And now we have an ageing, old and unmotivated team. We need to pay billions on these guys.
Plus, the worst part is: we can't buy new players (or not expensive new players) since are hands are tied and we are spending 70% (or more) of our earnings for player's wages.

If this is true we should get rid of Iniesta. 20m wages for a player that old and out of form isn't even remotely good idea.