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BBZ8800
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If true, both Iniesta and Masch.
That's 30M net and 60M after taxes.
We could buy one additional player like Seri plus finance his wages only by releasing Masch and Iniesta (even for free).
(Even though, I am not sure whether we are paying these taxes 200% for transfer fees also or only for wages?)
weloveyuner
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Jesus! That is massive overspending, especially for Mascherano and Iniesta! There is no way guys that old and on the end of their careers should be getting paid that much.
xavi_the_Boss
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Iniesta is on 8,5M i think.Not sure about Mascherano.But both together around 16M.So how would that reach 60M after taxes lol?
Interlop
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Where did you get the info that players get the salaries after tax. And how the hell the tax rate is 100%?
I'm not denying what you said, I just wanna know the sources.
JamDav1982
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There is no chance whatsoever Masch and Iniesta are on 60m combined including taxes.
Dybala was reported to be on 7.5m a season after tax when he signed his new contract as well.
Same as Higuain is supposed to be on.
Figures seem way off with some Barca players doubled to after tax wrongly and Juve playe assumed to be before tax.
Dybala was reported to be on 7.5m a season after tax when he signed his new contract as well.
Same as Higuain is supposed to be on.
Figures seem way off with some Barca players doubled to after tax wrongly and Juve playe assumed to be before tax.
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BBZ8800
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Look at this:
http://sillyseason.com/salary/fc-barcelona-players-salaries-69077/
Iniesta's OLD salary was 150K pounds per week.
That is 150K*52 weeks=7,800
1 pound is 1,15 Euros.
7,800*1,15=8,970 Million Euros per year
Masch is 130*52*1,15=7,74 M per year
So, let's say that old Iniesta's age was 9M per year and Masch's 8M per year.
But that is net.
Barca needs to pay the same amount in taxes.
So, if Iniesta is getting 9M per year, Barca actually has to spend 18Millions (9 to Iniesta, 9 for taxes).
Now, Iniesta had an old contract with wages 9M per year. But since Neymar, Suarez, Rakitic, Busi and now Messi will sign new contracts, Iniesta is also asking for a higher wage.
Also, with contracts, players usually get higher and higher wages as they get older.
For example, we sign a 22 years old player.
He starts with wages 3 Millions.
By the age of 26, he is earning 5 M per year.
Aged 28 he is earning 7M.
Aged 30 he is earning 9-10M.
That's how it works at Barca.
And now, since we have an old core of players who are all 30 or higher, they are all on insanely high wages.
Also, imo, with some logic, since we NEVER had such an old squad as today, it is quite likely that this is the era with the highest wages (which Barca has to pay).
Let's go back to your question.
It is rumored that Iniesta wants 15-20M per year net, compared to 9M net which he is earning currently.
So, currently Iniesta is earning 9M per year and Masch is earning 8M per year.
That is 9+9 and 8+8 or 18+16=34M after taxes which Barca has to pay.
If Iniesta will sign a new contract, then Barca will have to pay 30M (15 to Iniesta and 15 for taxes) or 40M (20M to Iniesta and 20M for taxes).
So, if Iniesta will sign a 15M deal, it will be:
15+15 wages+taxes for Iniesta
8+8 wages for taxes for Masch
= 46M Euros in total per year
If Iniesta will sign a 20M contract, that will be:
20+20 for wages+taxes for Iniesta
8+8 wages+taxes for Masch
= 56M Euros per year
This is how it could reach 60M after taxes.
Ok, it is 56M, not 60M, but you get the point.
BBZ8800
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On a lot of internet sites you can find earnings of Barca, Real, Juve and English teams.
For example, Barca:
http://sillyseason.com/salary/fc-barcelona-players-salaries-69077/
Real:
http://sillyseason.com/football/real-madrid-players-salaries-69080/
Chelsea:
http://sillyseason.com/football/chelsea-players-salaries-67985/
Juventus:
http://sillyseason.com/salary/juventus-players-salaries-69069/
According to these numbers, Barca is a team with the highest salaries in the world.
Real is close, but they are spending less than we do on wages.
Also, Chelsea is spending way less than we do.
And Juventus is spending peanuts.
Look at how low their players are earning. Roughly 2-3M on avarage, even guys like Dybala, Mandzukic and Cuadrado.
Again, compared with Masch at 8M per year, who is paid higher than Higuain (7,7) and Dybala (around 3M).
Even Mathieu is earning 5,3M net per year.
And Arda around 5M.
Again, Dybala is earning 3M, Mandzukic 3,5M, Evra 2,5M.
That means that Mascherano alone is earning the same as Dybala (3)+Mandzu (3,5)+Evra (2,5).
Masch alone 8M, these 3 guys together 9M per year.
Further, Mathieu and Arda alone are earning 5+ Millions, while Dybala and Mandzu together earn 6,5M.
Quite insane how much we pay our players, if numbers are true, right?
About 100% taxes, this is what I have read on internet, that taxes in Spain for wages are 100%.
I don't have more info about that.
I don't know.
I am only looking at numbers from the same page, linked above.
Posted above.
Internet and these sites is all we have :/
JamDav1982
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Dybala earns 7.5m after tax was reported when signed new contract.
You are confusing the figures and assuming all Barca wages are reported as net when only Messis seem to be.
From just looking at those links and don't even know if figures are correct but Barca wages seem to be all in before tax while Juventus seem to be after tax.
Edit: Just looked it up and those Juventus figures seem to come from Corriere Dello Sport which give all the players wages AFTER tax.
The Barcelona figures given all bar Messi are given before tax.
You are confusing the figures and assuming all Barca wages are reported as net when only Messis seem to be.
From just looking at those links and don't even know if figures are correct but Barca wages seem to be all in before tax while Juventus seem to be after tax.
Edit: Just looked it up and those Juventus figures seem to come from Corriere Dello Sport which give all the players wages AFTER tax.
The Barcelona figures given all bar Messi are given before tax.
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Interlop
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By your source only Messi is getting payed after tax and those numbers are even lower to what I posted, and 500000 per week is 26mil/year (£) before tax . Also, how the hell you got to like 60 mil for Masche and Iniesta from that source baffles my mind. Mathieu is on 3 mil, he got a salary to play for Barca, and of course Masch is earning more than this dudes, look how much he accomplished, I'm not gonna even bother talking about Iniesta, they deserve their current salary. I think the question should be if they deserve a raise right now or not.
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JamDav1982
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The Juve figures are before tax and Barca bar Messi after tax.
It puts the likes of Dybala on around 210K euros a week and likes of Masch around 149K, Iniesta on about 172k Euros a week.
That is far more likely than Iniesta and Masch being paid over 1 million euros a week between them.
It puts the likes of Dybala on around 210K euros a week and likes of Masch around 149K, Iniesta on about 172k Euros a week.
That is far more likely than Iniesta and Masch being paid over 1 million euros a week between them.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I used a few different sources.
On the link from my post, you can see that Neymar and Suarez earn 250k pounds per week which is 288k Euros per week *52 weeks=around 15m Euros net. Which means that Barca is paying 30m (15m to Ney, 15m to Spain for taxes).
On other sites like Espn,you can read that Ney and Suarez earn 16m Euros net and not only 15m.
So, I used Espn numbers for those two.
On some other sources, they say that Messi is earning 18m Euros net yearly.
BUT that he declined a new deal worth 35m Euros NET.
So, he didn't decline 35m total BUT 35 net, which means 70m after taxes.
The point is, Messi is not asking for a 110% raise but for a roughly 200% raise, because Neymar and Suarez are now on 16m Euros net.
Mathieu, in my link you can see that he earns 90k pounds per week.
My guess again is that this is before taxes.
This is his net wage. And Barca needs to pay double of that after taxes.
90k pounds net is *1,15 euros=103,5k Euros weekly *52 weeks=5,4m Euros per year NET.
Masch and Iniesta?
Again, if they are at 8m and 9m NET yearly, that means that Barca has to pay 34m after taxes.
On other sources, it is rumored that Iniesta wants a new deal worth like Ney and Suarez, which is 16m Net compared to 9m NET today.
With a new deal, Iniesta would earn 16m net, which means that Barca would pay 16m to him and 16m to Spain (taxes).
That means: 16+16 yearly for Iniesta's new deal and 8+8 for Masch.
That is 48m in total per year for Iniesta and Masch.
So, I was adding current net wages and rumored new deals for Messi and Iniesta in my posts.
I get what JamDav is saying, that it could be that Barca's wages are shown after taxes (200%) and Chelsea's and Juve's before taxes (100%).
But I don't believe in that for three reasons:
1. For a few years you could read on internet that Barca has the highest wages in total. So, the problem is not net or after taxes calculation, but a simple fact that Barca is paying like a drunk millionaires to their first 11.
How many times during past we could read that no one is willing to buy Barca's players (Song, Verm, Arda) due to their insanely high Barca's wages whom no one can match and players are not willing to accept lower wages in a new club. This is why they are loaned and released for free in the end since no one can match their Barca's wages
2. Further, for 2-3 years already, you could read on internet that Barca has financial problems because they spend roughly 70% of income on wages
3. Also, numbers on these sites should be NET since taxes are different in each country.
It doesn't make sense to post net earnings and after tax earnings since they are different in each country.
So again, it is more likely that we see NET earnings of each player on these sites. And our guys just have insanely high net earnings since we won 3 Cls in 7 years and the board paid a pure gold to keep core players since the board expected that we will dominate for the next 5 years with these players.
So, imo, there are two options:
1. Either there is a mistake in a calculation on this page
2. Or these numbers are 100% correct and we are a drunk millionaires
Further, a question for JamDav, if Barca's numbers are already shown as 200% after taxes, that would mean that Messi is earning only 17-18m Euros with 200%, or only 9m Euros net.
And Ney and Suarez are at 7,5-8m Euros NET.
Also, if we are not spending like drunk millionaires on wages, where has all our money gone then?
So, Barca and Real are the highest earners in the world.
And if Barca earns a lot and if we don't have crazy high wages, we should have a lot of money available for transfers then, right?
Which we don't have.
So it can't be that we both don't have money for transfers plus that we have low (or normal) wages.
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