Barca Transfers and Rumors
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Flavia
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That would be a bad move. Spending 27-30m for a player who is older than Munir, and won't improve anything. When a rb is more needed. Those business with 3rd party owned br players really irk me.
So why are the rumours persisting? Luan clearly doesn't have the quality, doesn't fit the profile Robert said to be looking for and clearly is way too expensive for a player of his class. Now you're telling is he's 3rd party owned?! I thought that we pulled out of the Gabigol-deal because of those issues with paying a large sum of money to his family (which wouldn't be a good thing image-wise). But if this isn't the issue, then why the hell aren't we in for Gabigol and instead are chasing this 'Keirisson ll'?!
xXKonan
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I like the deal we did in regards to Robert and Marlon, we loan them for one season with the B team and if they impress they stay and Marlon looks like he could easily be worth the 5 million.
But this? it's risky. While the Robert and the Marlon experiment is for Prospects for the Main team this one we are buying for the main team and our track record besides Neymar recently when buying talent from Brazil for the first team has been abysmal.
Luan is a decent player and despite performing well for Brazil in the Olympics so far, it's really a big risk spending 30 Million on a player we don't know if he's that Marginally/or better than someone we currently have aka Munir.
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Flavia
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I honestly wouldn't go for Gabigol either. Although he is 19 and can improve, and Luan is 23, brazilian forwards are too hyped, but not as good as they were once. Not long ago Pato, Tardelli, Hulk, Willian, Lucas etc, were as hyped too.
Gremio's president denied contacts, but those guys lie about that. We have to wait and see.
Reading comprehension, do you have it? I very clearly mentioned or hinted at the fact that everyone makes mistakes, including our scouts. So your comment is not needed as I've already hinted at just that. Very redundant. Why? Because every time this is brought up, people mention misses. No one has a 100 % succes rate in transfers or whatever you wanna call it. Point is they hit on players, and I trust professional scout over a fan forum. Sure, you can point to the failures revolving recent Brazilian players we've bought, but that doesn't mean that every player from Brazil will be failures. Just like every player from Europa will be failures (we've had some Euro flops too). If a player is good, it doesn't matter where he is from. And if the scouts and coaches think he is an approvement I trust them on that.
gregorrin10
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Just get Mario Gomez and be done with it. Swap him with Tello and kill two birds with one stone. Mario can be a great impact sub for the next 2-3 years. He would marginally improve our aerial presence and add another dimension to our attack, especially in converting set pieces and corners. And unlike someone like Mandžukič, he is also quite skillful and not clumsy at all for a player of his height and stature. I think he would thrive off our midfielders and wingers supplying him regularly (I can just see him scoring a great goal off a spectuacular Iniesta or Messi pass), plus he'd also be able to play some mean one-twos and with his presence he would attract defenders and thus create chances for others or just finish off chances himself, since he's also a more than decent finisher himself, as he clearly showed at Besiktas and before in Bayern. He just needs to be reasoned with to accept lower wages, so that he wouldn't be costing us more than a 4th striker should.
I'm actually quite annoyed our obsession with the Brazilian market already. Yes, there is no doubt that there are some kids, who already did and will continue to turn out great, but most of them are crap, and certainly not good enough to play for Barca. But we still seem to be after every single one of them. I don't think Luan is Barca quality, not by a long shot, he looks more like 'another Keirrison'. Hoping we don't get him, i would much rather see that we actually don't get anyone and keep&trust Munir in that case. If someone comes, he has to be good enough to make an immediate impact, while also adding another (new) strength and dimension to our attack. So that sending Munir on loan can be justified too. And that is Gomez. Not Lucas Perez, not even Gabigol (at least not yet), and certainly not Luan.
I'm actually quite annoyed our obsession with the Brazilian market already. Yes, there is no doubt that there are some kids, who already did and will continue to turn out great, but most of them are crap, and certainly not good enough to play for Barca. But we still seem to be after every single one of them. I don't think Luan is Barca quality, not by a long shot, he looks more like 'another Keirrison'. Hoping we don't get him, i would much rather see that we actually don't get anyone and keep&trust Munir in that case. If someone comes, he has to be good enough to make an immediate impact, while also adding another (new) strength and dimension to our attack. So that sending Munir on loan can be justified too. And that is Gomez. Not Lucas Perez, not even Gabigol (at least not yet), and certainly not Luan.
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xXKonan
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I like the idea of buying directly from Brazil for prospects who are perhaps to good to leave on the B team but not yet ready to make the jump to the 1st team. and a loan out to a Liga team for a couple of seasons that can prepare them or show if they are good enough for the main team for the future.
We tried to buy Gerson last summer for that purpose. he was considered a very talented prospect and played as an attacking mid. Originally we had a first option clause on him along with Marlon and Kenedy, But Kenedy went to Chelsea and we didn't yet Get Marlon.
We decided to make a 16 Million Euro offer on Gerson, we even had an agreement with Gerson,His dad and Fluminense to get him. We outbid Juve for him, but Roma came out of nowhere and bid 20 Million for him and we decided it wasn't worth upping our bid so he went to Roma. but we negotiated with Roma to have a 1st option deal on Gerson in case we ever want to buy him from them.
Marlon, despite playing in two Preseason games looks really good so far and could be one of if not the best CB prospect we have along with Tarin if he keeps up this level with the B team and we end up buying him.
But one area we are really poor at is buying players from Brazil directly for the main team in recent years. Neymar was the only one that was the bright spot. Guys like Kerrison,Hernique and Douglas were just disasters.
Luan, isn't a bad player by any means from what I have seen but the amount of money Gremio want for him (30 Million) is very risky as theirs doubts he's the player we need just flat out not Barcelona Quality.
We tried to buy Gerson last summer for that purpose. he was considered a very talented prospect and played as an attacking mid. Originally we had a first option clause on him along with Marlon and Kenedy, But Kenedy went to Chelsea and we didn't yet Get Marlon.
We decided to make a 16 Million Euro offer on Gerson, we even had an agreement with Gerson,His dad and Fluminense to get him. We outbid Juve for him, but Roma came out of nowhere and bid 20 Million for him and we decided it wasn't worth upping our bid so he went to Roma. but we negotiated with Roma to have a 1st option deal on Gerson in case we ever want to buy him from them.
Marlon, despite playing in two Preseason games looks really good so far and could be one of if not the best CB prospect we have along with Tarin if he keeps up this level with the B team and we end up buying him.
But one area we are really poor at is buying players from Brazil directly for the main team in recent years. Neymar was the only one that was the bright spot. Guys like Kerrison,Hernique and Douglas were just disasters.
Luan, isn't a bad player by any means from what I have seen but the amount of money Gremio want for him (30 Million) is very risky as theirs doubts he's the player we need just flat out not Barcelona Quality.
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Money laundering brought these players to the club, not sporting decisions. Douglas was a joke in Brazil. We were clearly laundering money, so its meaningless to bring these players up.
People who think we can buy a CF to play 5 games a season and be rusty as hell are simply clueless. A forward WOULD HAVE to play numerous positions in order to be of any use for us.
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I get that, everyone makes mistakes en nobody has in 100% succes rate in football transfers. However, what would be the succes rate of our scouts for the Brazilian market? What players came directly from a Brazilian club and succeeded here? Besides Neymar, there aren't that many. Our succes rate in that aspect is lower than 20%, which would be a very good reason not to solely base your opinion on our scouts. Of course you shouldn't base your opinion on a random fan on a random forum, but there are plenty of Brazilian football-experts which could provide an insight on certain player. And of course there's no certainty on if a player will be a success at our club, but our succes rate in different countries could provide us with some better information. Our succes rate of Brazilians (with experience in Europe) is a lot higher than the ones that came straight out of Brazil. Our succes rate of BPL-players is a lot lower than the ones that came from the Ligue 1. Once again, this doesn't give you any garantuees but it gives us some insight. Although I'd rather sign Mario Gómez than any other Brazilian (based on our succes rates in transfers), I'd prefer Gabigol over Luan any day of the week (mainly based on some matches I watched and the opinion of Brazilian experts).
Exactly this. We're still in the race for Mario Gómez; he would be the best option (that's still available; we lost out on many other options) right now. Gabigol is decent, Luan would be a joke. Just trade in Tello for Gómez (loan exchanges would be best, but don't think that will happen) and be done with it. I just fear that we get Luan, thinking he 'could be decent', loan out Munir and come to the conclusion in january that we should have kept Munir. €27M down the drain and we can start all over again.
Luan is clearly a better player than old Gomez who will never get to play anyway. But 27m euros is too much for Luan even though he could be a good squad player. Munir cant play on the wings anyway, even though people here claim he can, he really cant. Forget about "trading" anyone. "trades" happens frequently in the fantasies of fans but never in reality. We will be lucky to even get someone to pay part of Tello's wages until his contract runs out.
Best option would be Thomas Lemar or Sofiane Boufal IMO. Not "strikers", but would offer us options for Ney and Messi. Its better to use Messi as center forward than some rusty old geezer anyway.
No one was interested in players like Douglas. They were just part of money laundering efforts involving Traffic. You seem to believe it was part of scout finding. He was a joke in Brazil.
Why would Luan be 'clearly a better player' than Mario Gómez? First of all; Luan isn't even a proper striker, he could be a decent winger for Barcelona at best. That doesn't fit the profiel Robert said to be looking for and that doesn't fit the tactics Barcelona are playing. The key for Lucho is to create space for Messi and that's the main reason our little magician is playing from the right. We saw under Tata Martino that opponents could defend him more easily when he's playing in a central role. Luis Suárez opened up space for him and that's why Barcelona is thriving under Luis Enrique. Messi and Neymar need a striker that occupies the center backs of the opponent, so they can exploid the space between the full backs and center backs. That's why the profile of our new signing is a pure striker and not an attacker that can play on the wings as well. We have enough options to be back-up for Messi and Neymar; Arda, Denis, Munir, Rafinha and even Iniesta could play in those positions.
That said, Mario Gómez would be the best option for me. Was one of the best strikers in the world at Bayern, had a less succesful time at Fiorentina because of injuries, but regained his form at Besiktas. If he could be statisfied with the Larsson-role (which means 25 games a season (if not more)), he would be an excellent signing. He provides aireal threat in attack, could be an impact sub in games in which 'the ball just won't go into the net'. Besides that, he would cost only €7M. That way we'd have €15M to add to the budget of next year (which is lower because of the André Gomes signing) and could bring a world class right back to the club.
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