Barça's Transfers and Rumors

[BarçaBarça]

How much do you think Dortmund(/others) would have paid for him if it wasn't for the buyout?
I know 8M. isn't much, but could we realistic get twice that much? (I'm not sure)

Alves and Bartra leaving, and we get absolutely literally money to replace them - that is a shame.
Of course, if we buy smart (Meré, Bailly, Lemos) you can get a lot of talent for similar price.

 

[Trickykid]

Last season we had a treble winning team and everything looked perfect.
If our team could have kept the same form, we didn't need star signings, we only needed depth, rotation and keeping their motivation at a decent level.
Back then it made sense to buy some oldies and to keep the current winning team for 2-3 years, if they can stay on that level.
We didn't need to try new tricks back then.

Pogba was a big no and a bomb in a lockerrrom for me in that moment.
A treble winning team didn't need a 100m midfielder since you couldn't bench Iniesta or Raki back then, and we didn't need problems. And he would ruin a chemistry.

Forward things for 1 year:
1. we are not a treble winning team
2. MSN aren't out of this world anymore. Messi is still Messi, but he is getting older and older, slower and less motivated. Suarez is still awesome. Neymar is a joke, more or less
3. motivation has gone MIA
4. Arda, who looked good in theory back then, failed
5. Roberto and Rafinha stagnated (ok, Rafinha was injured, but...)
6. Real won a CL, and +10 points more than us this spring in La liga. They are on form and have a momentum

So, Pogba still has some flaws which I didn't like back then.
And he is still extremely expensive.
But from a treble winning team and well oiled machine, we turned in 12 Months into a team for which it is very questionable how much motivation it will have in the next season. I just don't trust in the current team anymore. Skills are there, but motivation and stamina aren't there.

If you asked me, I would maybe change even Neymar, but that will never happen.
Then, the only options for improvement are defense and midfield, but out of all available players in the world, currenty imo, Pogba could bring the highest level of fresh blood, physical strength, youth and motivation.

Gundogan is gone, Verratti is not for sale.
What else is left?
Marquinos and that's it. But he is a huuuuuuge if.

About changing an opinion, how many of changed our opinion about Lucho in 2014 and 2015?
A lot of guys turned against Neymar this spring, so they changed their opinion.
Pogba hasn't improved THAT much since last year, even though he improved to some extent.
But OUR team deteriorated a lot (for me), and that's it.

If you ask me whom I would sign, I would sell:
Tello, Halilovic, Bartra, Verm, Adriano, Alves, Masch (if he wants to leave), Sandro, Song, Douglas
-- that is 30-ish M, I guess
If we could sell Arda to someone for 20ish M, that would be awesome. 30+20m of income
Then buy Pogba for 100, Lemos for 10m and that's it.

Again, imo, a midfielder like Pogba and Pique+Mathieu+Lemos defense can improve our team more than good old Raki-Iniesta and Pique-Marquinos+Mathieu defense.
The only problem would be attack, we could buy some oldie on a free transfer, on a loan, or for up to 5m.

If we buy Marquinos, I don't see how will that help in another Atletico:Barca match in a CL, where Raki and Iniesta won't have any ideas and where Messi will go to the middle.
Even Real outplayed us in the last match.
One defender won't suddenly heal our team and solve our motivational problems.
Pogba won't solve those problems either, but he may have a bigger impact on our whole team as a midfielder, than a world class defender.

++ About Pjanic, whenever I watched Roma and Lyon in the past, he was ok but meh for the highest level.
Lucho is crazy if he really wants him, imo.
Not to mention his low amount or running and workrate.
Put him and Iniesta on the field, and we will be all over the place like with Iniesta+Rafinha.

So, let me get this straight; our entire team is going down the dumps, Nerman is a joke (wow, really?) and the motivation is gone, but still, all we need to do to fix this mess is to buy Pogba, a complete no name youth defender with 10 LL games under his belt and an old 5M striker? Well, ok then...

Icarium is pretty much spot on; your hyperbole really is something else.

Oh, I just noticed your claim that Roberto and Rafinha has stagnated. I'm done man, completely done...

 

[xXKonan]

do you think we have players ready to be announced on July 1st?

It's only June so we still have 27 Days to go before then. Knowing Lucho, like last year he wants things to get done quickly before Pre season.

We will just have to wait.

 

[Interlop]

do you think we have players ready to be announced on July 1st?

Yeah, Denis Suarez.

 

[Messi983]

Yeah, Denis Suarez.

No. Robert said we'll only make official bid for him in July.

 

[Trickykid]

No. Robert said we'll only make official bid for him in July.

By then we'll have sorted out the kinks with the player himself, and the bid is purely formality, so I don't think it's wrong to assume that Denis is tied down come 1st of July.

 

[Luftstalag14]

We have to wait until July 1st, to announce any signings.

It's one of the reasons why we haven't bought back Denis yet is because we have to wait until the new Financial year which is on July 1st. We can talk to people and sell some players but we cannot buy or announce anything until then.

Is this July 1st thing self-imposed?

I just think we need to act soon and start talking to clubs and players right now and ASAP if we haven't already instead of waiting until July 1st to unleash ourselves, before everything is late, before desired players are grabbed by other clubs.

 

[BBZ8800]

So, let me get this straight; our entire team is going down the dumps, Nerman is a joke (wow, really?) and the motivation is gone, but still, all we need to do to fix this mess is to buy Pogba, a complete no name youth defender with 10 LL games under his belt and an old 5M striker? Well, ok then...

Icarium is pretty much spot on; your hyperbole really is something else.

Oh, I just noticed your claim that Roberto and Rafinha has stagnated. I'm done man, completely done...

Tricky, I noticed with you that you have a tendency of over-enjoying in everything regarding our team.

When I have said that I am pissed that Real won a CL.
You said: relax, we won Liga+Cdr (wtf, but ok)
We won our trophies, but they won a CL.
You play football for yourself, but you also need to compete with your arch enemies.
If you think that it is irrelevant for us what Real won, then why are we so pumped up for El Classico matches?
It's just a 3-point match, the same as against Getafe or Levante, right?

I do enjoy in our success, but our succes needs to be measured to some extent with Real's success since they are our arch enemies.
As some said: imagine if Real Madrid gets deleted tomorrow.
Wouldn't football, La Liga, Champions league, and even Barca be weirder and stranger then?
We could enjoy in our team still, but something would be missing...

About our team, you have too much faith and love (imo), for all of our players.
Roberto and Rafinha staganted (for me) in terms that it is clear that they will never be Barca's level of midfield starters.
Unless if we lower our level of quality a lot.

About Neymar, tons of pages were written on his topic.
Go there and read about him whether he was a joke or not this spring.
Lots, but seriously LOTS of fans from this forum thought the same in the last few Months, especially since he had a drop in form for two springs in a row already.

I think that you are giving too much credit to all of our players.

Whether Pogba can fix our problems with motivation?
Our whole core Messi, Iniesta, Busi, Alves, Pique, Masch, Alba won too many trophies with Barca (CLs and world cup with Spain).
Pogba won't heal our team, but it would be a good step forward, and then 2-3-5 new, younger, motivated starters over next 2-3 Seasons.

So, Pogba is not a cure, but neither is Marquinos.
He could help even less.
Pjanic, I won't even comment since he is not a starter material, and we need starters with motivation and fresh blood.

If you asked me whether our team can heal itself without Pogba and new blood? Imo, extremely hard.
We may have one more good season on a CL level (their last atoms of motivation), but they are surely dead on motivation after 2017'.

So, we will need some new world class starters in the next 2-3-4 seasons.
Pogba would be the best first step.

If we buy Marquinos and Pjanic this summer and if a team will have a poor season, what then?
We will need 3 Pogbas in summers 2017 and 2018 then.
And if this one goes to Real or Chelsea now, and since Gundogan is gone, what we will do? Buy new Ardas and Pjanics each summer for the next 5 years?

 

[gasgas]

I think whichever team between Us,RMA, and Bayern that gets Pogba this summer will go on to dominate Europe for a few seasons

we need Pogba this season.
Denis Suarez, Rafinha and Arda can all cover for the front three
Alba and Mathieu cover LB
Roberto and Vidal cover RB
Pique, Masch, New CB, and Mathieu at CB

so we could only get Pogba, Denis and New CB and the treble is there for grabs

 

[Messi983]

By then we'll have sorted out the kinks with the player himself, and the bid is purely formality, so I don't think it's wrong to assume that Denis is tied down come 1st of July.

Of course, but his transfer won't be officialy announced.

 

[Trickykid]

Is this July 1st thing self-imposed?

I just think we need to act soon and start talking to clubs and players right now and ASAP if we haven't already instead of waiting until July 1st to unleash ourselves, before everything is late, before desired players are grabbed by other clubs.

Eh, that's exactly what the club is doing...

 

[Messi983]

Lol @ all those Pogba or bust mentality.

Is this July 1st thing self-imposed?

I just think we need to act soon and start talking to clubs and players right now and ASAP if we haven't already instead of waiting until July 1st to unleash ourselves, before everything is late, before desired players are grabbed by other clubs.

Yes, it's self-imposed because of tax reasons.

Not much will officialy happen between now and July because of Euro and Copa but I'm sure there are a lot of talks already ongoing between clubs and players.

 

[gasgas]

Tricky, I noticed with you that you have a tendency of over-enjoying in everything regarding our team.

When I have said that I am pissed that Real won a CL.
You said: relax, we won Liga+Cdr (wtf, but ok)
We won our trophies, but they won a CL.
You play football for yourself, but you also need to compete with your arch enemies.
If you think that it is irrelevant for us what Real won, then why are we so pumped up for El Classico matches?
It's just a 3-point match, the same as against Getafe or Levante, right?

I do enjoy in our success, but our succes needs to be measured to some extent with Real's success since they are our arch enemies.
As some said: imagine if Real Madrid gets deleted tomorrow.
Wouldn't football, La Liga, Champions league, and even Barca be weirder and stranger then?
We could enjoy in our team still, but something would be missing...

About our team, you have too much faith and love (imo), for all of our players.
Roberto and Rafinha staganted (for me) in terms that it is clear that they will never be Barca's level of midfield starters.
Unless if we lower our level of quality a lot.

About Neymar, tons of pages were written on his topic.
Go there and read about him whether he was a joke or not this spring.
Lots, but seriously LOTS of fans from this forum thought the same in the last few Months, especially since he had a drop in form for two springs in a row already.

I think that you are giving too much credit to all of our players.

Whether Pogba can fix our problems with motivation?
Our whole core Messi, Iniesta, Raki, Busi, Alves, Pique, Masch, Alba won too many trophies with Barca (CLs and world cup with Spain).
Pogba won't heal our team, but it would be a good step forward, and then 2-3-5 new, younger, motivated starters over next 2-3 Seasons.

So, Pogba is not a cure, but neither is Marquinos.
He could help even less.
Pjanic, I won't even comment since he is not a starter material, and we need starters with motivation and fresh blood.

If you asked me whether our team can heal itself without Pogba and new blood? Imo, extremely hard.
We may have one more good season on a CL level (their last atoms of motivation), but they are surely dead on motivation after 2017'.

So, we will need some new world class starters in the next 2-3-4 seasons.
Pogba would be the best first step.

If we buy Marquinos and Pjanic this summer and if a team will have a poor season, what then?
We will need 3 Pogbas in summers 2017 and 2018 then.
And if this one goes to Real or Chelsea now, and since Gundogan is gone, what we will do? Buy new Ardas and Pjanics for the next 5 years?

many guys here think our first eleven is fine and we need a better bench
hence targets: pjanic, gameiro, lemos, Bailly, bellerin, el ghazi, vieto
as if it was the bench that underperformed
meanwhile our competitors are busy looking for players who can start for them
and then there's this pity party "we don't have enough money

 

[Luftstalag14]

I think whichever team between Us,RMA, and Bayern that gets Pogba this summer will go on to dominate Europe for a few seasons

we need Pogba this season.
Denis Suarez, Rafinha and Arda can all cover for the front three
Alba and Mathieu cover LB
Roberto and Vidal cover RB
Pique, Masch, New CB, and Mathieu at CB

so we could only get Pogba, Denis and New CB and the treble is there for grabs

Bayern won't bid on Pogba, they are stingy (or financially-responsible if you will).

Real Madrid might go for him now predicting a transfer ban starting next January, that is my fear.

City with a super fat checkbook might go for him too. Manchester United reportedly already submitted a bid of 60m British pounds.

Mathieu can't really play LB well so I don't count him as a LB. If Alba is injured and he is kind of injury-prone (despite taking very little time to recover), we are screwed.

RB we are relatively OK.

On CB we are stretched really thin, Masch might not stay, even if he does one major injury happens to one of Pique or Masch, we might be screwed.

MSN is the best ever but defense still wins games.

 

[gasgas]

Bayern won't bid on Pogba, they are stingy (or financially-responsible if you will).

Real Madrid might go for him now predicting a transfer ban starting next January, that is my fear.

City with a super fat checkbook might go for him too. Manchester United reportedly already submitted a bid of 60m British pounds.

Mathieu can't really play LB well so I don't count him as a LB. If Alba is injured and he is kind of injury-prone (despite taking very little time to recover), we are screwed.

RB we are relatively OK.

On CB we are stretched really thin, Masch might not stay, even if he does one major injury happens to one of Pique or Masch, we might be screwed.

MSN is the best ever but defense still wins games.

then buy pogba and defence